Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass. Most people are good.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Sunday, October 22, 2023

News bits: Lawsuit against church school; Disinformation war update; CN moral rot update

The AP reports about a critically important lawsuit the state of Oklahoma has filed against a Catholic Christian nationalist group that intends to use taxpayer money to fund a religious school. This case will wind up in the USSC in the next year or two. If the USSC says it is OK to force taxpayers to pay for religious education, it will open the way for diversion of tens of billions of tax dollars to prop up religion. 

That would be a serious, maybe lethal, blow to American secular democracy. Civil liberties that God hates will also be severely weakened as church schools will be free to discriminate against anyone for any reason that God finds objectionable, e.g., children in pro-abortion families, women generally, racial minorities, Muslims, and same-sex couples and their children. The AP writes:
Oklahoma’s Republican Attorney General Gentner Drummond on Friday sued to stop a state board from establishing and funding what would be the nation’s first religious public charter school after the board ignored Drummond’s warning that it would violate both the state and U.S. constitutions.

Drummond filed the lawsuit with the Oklahoma Supreme Court against the Oklahoma Statewide Virtual Charter School Board after three of the board’s members this week signed a contract for the St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual Charter School, which is sponsored by the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City.

“Make no mistake, if the Catholic Church were permitted to have a public virtual charter school, a reckoning will follow in which this state will be faced with the unprecedented quandary of processing requests to directly fund all petitioning sectarian groups,” the lawsuit states.

The approval of a publicly funded religious school is the latest in a series of actions taken by conservative-led states that include efforts to teach the Bible in public schools, and to ban books and lessons about race, sexual orientation and gender identity.

Oklahoma’s Constitution specifically prohibits the use of public money or property from being used, directly or indirectly, for the use or benefit of any church or system of religion. Nearly 60% of Oklahoma voters rejected a proposal in 2016 to remove that language from the Constitution.
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A key tool in America's authoritarian radical right (ARR) war to kill democracy, the rule of law and civil liberties is to foster as much divisive disinformation, lies, slanders and crackpot reasoning as possible. In my opinion, disinformation constitutes one of the top two weapons that the American ARR movement has in its democracy kill agenda. The other main weapon is lots of money to corrupt society and government. 

The key deceit that maintains the power of disinformation is the ARR's constant cynical and flawed implicit argument that disinformation is harmless "conservative" free speech. ARR radicals have to ignore and even deny the harm in ARR disinformation because without it the ARR cause would be lost. The anti-democracy radicals know they cannot win on the merits, so they have no choice but to rely heavily on disinformation just like tyrants such as Stalin, Hitler, Trump, Mao, Xi Jinping and nearly all other tyrants. 

In a surprise decision, three of the six ARR judges on the USSC sided with the three non-ARR judges (Democrats), holding that the US government can interact with social media outlets to try to coax them to tone down the tsunami of anti-democracy disinformation that has poisoned all major social media platforms. Scripps News writes:
Justices said the Biden Administration could continue to pressure social media firms over misleading content while a lawsuit progresses

The Supreme Court on Friday said it would indefinitely block a lower court order curbing Biden administration efforts to combat controversial social media posts on topics including COVID-19 and election security.

The justices said they would hear arguments in a lawsuit filed by Louisiana, Missouri and other parties accusing administration officials of unconstitutionally squelching conservative points of view. The new case adds to a term already heavy with social media issues.

Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas would have rejected the emergency appeal from the Biden administration.

“At this time in the history of our country, what the Court has done, I fear, will be seen by some as giving the Government a green light to use heavy-handed tactics to skew the presentation of views on the medium that increasingly dominates the dissemination of news. That is most unfortunate,” Alito wrote in dissent.
Alito's dissent is a clear example of cynical, lying ARR elites ignoring the vast damage that anti-democracy disinformation has inflicted on American democracy, the rule of law and civil liberties. They always couch attempts to tamp down anti-democracy, pro-tyranny disinformation as implicitly harmless speech, news and information.
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American Christian nationalism (CN) is an ARR anti-democracy, pro-theocracy religious and social movement. In the modern GOP, CN fundamentalist dogma and brass knuckles capitalist dogma dominate the beliefs and propaganda coming from ARR elites and their propagandists and major donors. 

The CN movement relies heavily on disinformation to impose its theocratic agenda on America, prominently Christian Sharia law and wealthy White male Christian Taliban enforcement of it. With the CN movement, lies of omission (hiding inconvenient truth) are about as common as affirmative lies and falsehoods. In my opinion, heavy reliance on disinformation is a hallmark of cynicism and moral rot. An opinion piece in the NYT touches on one aspect of CN moral rot:
In fact I’d argue that the moral collapse at Liberty University in Virginia may well be the most consequential education scandal in the United States, not simply because the details themselves are shocking and appalling, but because Liberty’s misconduct both symbolizes and contributes to the crisis engulfing Christian America. It embodies a cultural and political approach that turns Christian theology on its head.

Last week, Fox News reported that Liberty is facing the possibility of an “unprecedented” $37.5 million fine from the U.S. Department of Education. The education department has been investigating violations of the Clery Act, a federal statute that requires federally funded colleges and universities to publicly report data about campus crime. To put that number into perspective, consider that Michigan State University paid $4.5 million for its own “systemic failure” to respond to the infamous Larry Nassar sexual abuse scandal, in which Nassar was convicted of sexually abusing dozens of women in his care. While Liberty’s fine is not yet set, the contents of a leaked education department report — first reported by Susan Svrluga in The Washington Post — leave little doubt as to why it may be this large.

The report, as Svrluga writes, “paints a picture of a university that discouraged people from reporting crimes, underreported the claims it received and, meanwhile, marketed its Virginia campus as one of the safest in the country.” The details are grim. According to the report, “Liberty failed to warn the campus community about gas leaks, bomb threats and people credibly accused of repeated acts of sexual violence — including a senior administrator and an athlete.”

A campus safety consultant told Svrluga, “This is the single most blistering Clery report I have ever read. Ever.”

If this was the only scandal at Liberty, it would and should be a national story. But it’s not the only scandal. Far from it. I’ve been following (and covering) Liberty’s moral collapse for years, and the list of scandals and lawsuits plaguing the school is extraordinarily long. The best known of these is the saga of Jerry Falwell Jr. Falwell, the former president and son of the school’s founder, resigned amid allegations of sexual misconduct involving himself, his wife and a pool boy turned business associate named Giancarlo Granda.  
In 2021, ProPublica published a comprehensive, gut-wrenching report describing how Liberty mishandled claims of sex abuse and sex harassment on campus and used its strict code of conduct, the Liberty Way, against victims of sex abuse. If, for example, a victim had been drinking or engaged in any other conduct prohibited by Liberty policies, those details in their sex abuse complaint could be used against them in school disciplinary proceedings.

Liberty has faced a series of lawsuits related to those claims, and last year it settled one of those cases. Throughout these controversies, Liberty has responded by denying many of the worst allegations against it.  
But there’s another group that will be angry as well — at yet another attack on an evangelical institution in a powerful secular newspaper. That anger, though, is a key part of the problem with the American church, and it’s a problem that no less a Christian figure than the apostle Paul identified almost 2,000 years ago.

In his first letter to the Corinthian church (or, as Trump might say, One Corinthians), he issued a ferocious denunciation of sexual immorality inside the church. In chapter five, he says that he’s heard of misconduct “of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate.” He’s condemning an act of incest within the church, but if you read the accounts of incidents at Liberty, you’ll read stories of gross misconduct that Christians and non-Christians alike should and do find utterly abhorrent.
No wonder that many people have lost faith in government. It doesn't work mostly for the public interest any more, assuming it ever did. It works for powerful special interests, the morally rotted CN movement in this case.

Q: Why are US taxpayers funding a morally rotted, ARR anti-democracy CN university that breaks laws by hiding inconvenient truth, i.e., are we disinformed via lies of omission, is government corrupt, is the MSM incompetent or quietly complicit, is the ARR CN movement powerful, or some of all of that?

(A: probably some of all of that)

Saturday, October 21, 2023

News bits: Americans oppose Israel war; What open-minded Trump supporters think; Etc.

Data in poll released by Data for Progress, a liberal think tank, indicates that about 66% of likely voters think the US should call for a ceasefire and violence de-escalation in Gaza. This indicates that although the US government is arguably at least implicitly escalating the war and violence, the voting public disagrees. As usual, the government will likely do what it wants, not what most voters want.  


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What America's political right is seeing, thinking and believing is a personal interest. It gets at why politics is the way it is. A NYT focus groups asked questions of 11 Trump supporters who are open to voting for a different Republican (the full article - not behind a paywall). The bottom line is that as a whole, the group is significantly incoherent and not particularly self-aware. Themes that are somewhat common are unease over political uncertainty, fear of crime and immigration. Reasons to support Trump are largely incoherent. Other candidates that had some appeal were Haley, DeSantis and Kennedy. Some of the Q&A:

Why support Trump?:
1. Makes me feel safe.
2. He unbalanced a corrupt system.
3. Business background.

To me, 1 makes some sense, but 2 and 3 are incoherent. 2 does not see the blatant corruption inherent in Trump. 3 appears to be oblivious to the fact, or doesn't much care, that Trump is a serial business failure and a chronic fraud and liar.

A NYT comment on the group indicates to me that there is a significant streak of authoritarianism in some of these open-minded supporters, and I suspect that trait is more prominent among Trump's closed-minded supporters:
But the group was most revealing about how, even as they were somewhat ambivalent about aspects of Mr. Trump’s conduct and record, there was a deep bond with him and with his style of leadership. These Republicans are drawn to the idea of disruptive leaders who shake up the system (a couple of them quite liked Robert F. Kennedy Jr.), and several of them favored following gut instinct and upsetting people from time to time as leadership traits. .... The group made some suggestions for how to appeal to them and called out dimensions of Mr. Trump that they don’t like. Most of all, it came down to appealing to voters’ heads over their hearts: making a powerful, memorable, sustained case for why it was time to move on from Mr. Trump, a man they still have great affection for.
The observation that this group claims to be responsive to appeals to their heads over their hearts is completely incoherent to me. Those people sincerely believe that they are being realistic and rational about a person who is nothing at all like what they think he is. To me, this is more evidence of how terribly deceived, manipulated and betrayed most rank and file Trump supporters are. With irrational beliefs like those, there is no apparent way to speak rationally to them. Changing their minds is essentially impossible.

I don't know if the NYT asked about concerns for attacks on democracy or the dominance of radical right authoritarianism in the GOP. The article was silent about that. Given how little the MSM reports on it, the issue does not seem to be important to most people.
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A WaPo opinion discusses that some (most?) Palestinians view Hamas negatively:
If you doubt there are Palestinians who oppose the terrorist regime that Hamas has created, visit a project called “Whispered in Gaza” online. You’ll hear 25 powerful narratives that were recorded over the past 18 months. The Gazans’ names are changed and their faces drawn by animators, but their message has the unmistakable power of truth.

Here are some of those Gaza whispers: A pharmacist called “Basma” explains how she had to close her shop because of harassment by Hamas officials. A journalist called “Maha” says she was “muzzled” and threatened by Hamas and gave up her work. “Layla” describes how Hamas operatives forced her to close a counseling center because they were afraid it might encourage unhappy Gazans to protest the regime. “Othman” says bluntly: “The so-called ‘resistance’ has become a business.”  
Listen to “Zainab,” her voice barely audible, expressing what sounds like a plea to the world: “There is a false stereotype that Palestinians in Gaza love rockets and wars. Gazans don’t love wars. The wars that happen are waged by the Hamas government for political aims that serve them alone. … We don’t want war. We want a decent life.”

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The NYT comments about a possible impact of Kenneth Chesebro pleading guilty on two of DJT's lawsuits:
Having already put in writing that some of Mr. Trump’s postelection legal maneuvers were feints of a sort undertaken for political ends, Mr. Chesebro might also be able to undermine one of the defenses that the former president could use in both of the election prosecutions.

If Mr. Chesebro were to testify that Mr. Trump’s lawsuits challenging his loss were not designed to win, but merely as ploys to sow doubt about the election, it could cut against Mr. Trump’s possible plan to use a so-called advice of counsel defense. That strategy involves blaming one’s lawyers for giving bad advice. 
Time will tell if this makes any difference when it comes to prosecuting and punishing DJT. I remain pessimistic until the last appeal has been heard and DJT is forced to go to jail. Anything short of that is a major loss. The road ahead is still very long and the final outcome completely uncertain.

Friday, October 20, 2023

Troubling Israel war update: Israel's society and the US government are radicalizing

Some evidence is coming out indicating that Israeli society is radicalizing and losing patience with all of the Palestinians, not just Hamas or Islamic Jihad. There are indications that the US government is also radicalizing against the Palestinians.

The following is commentary and information PD posted here yesterday. 
A culture of repression and scapegoating Palestinians and war-critical Israelis, has gripped Israel at a societal level. Journalists, human rights activists, and protesters for peace in Gaza are all being harassed, doxxed, bullied and, says The Nation, even "summoned to police investigations or questioning simply for 'liking' posts on social media." The full story is in their article, The Crackdown Has Begun: Israel Goes After Its Critics

One victim of bullying (added: and threats of physical violence) discussed in the article is a left-wing ultra-Orthodox journalist and outspoken critic of Israeli policy who had to flee from a mob trying to harm him in his own home. He, as it turns out, made a video from an undisclosed hiding place which describes the culture of repression now spreading through Israeli society. He warns those who only a month ago were protesting against the Right Wing zealots who want religious law and an end to judicial review and full democracy that they are now "becoming like the Right Wing government you opposed so recently." Is that what is happening? Here is his video published on YouTube by The Middle East Eye



This repressive atmosphere is matched in the US by a chilling effect in the State Dept., where a memo circulated strongly discouraging any criticism of the war for those in the Biden Admin that are supposed to advise and provide feedback to their "higher-ups." The leaked internal memo, reported by HuffPost last week, discourages use of certain phrases like "de-escalate" and "avoid bloodshed" for members of the state dept. when discussing the Israel-Hamas War and US policies related to it.

Also deeply troubling is the fact that three Muslim hosts at MSNBC were sidelined (Germaine edit: shut up) with no explanations. This includes Mehdi Hasan. MSNBC has stated that the "schedule changes are coincidental." The website Semafor originally reported on this. This matter is also discussed in an article in The Nation.

The NYT reports on one state dept. offcial, Josh Paul who oversees arms transfers. His objections to unconditional support for Israel militarily right now, he said, fell completely on dead ears. After 11 years of service, he resigned in protest. He felt his and others' critical input was not even considered or debated, he wrote in a letter explaining his decision to resign.

For me, this news is deeply troubling. I can see a closer merger of toxic authoritarianism, with radical, bigoted theocracy in both Israel and the US. This is really frightening news.

Remember, the 9/11 attacks in the US caused a bloody, catastrophically failed 20 year war in Afghanistan and a needless, bloody, destructive failed war in Iraq. Some experts believe it is possible that Hamas' goal was to force overreactions by Israel and the US in response to its slaughter of Israeli civilians. If that was the goal, this news makes it look like they may be succeeding, regardless of how many innocent, non-combatant Palestinians get slaughtered in the process.

Q: Is Germaine being irrationally alarmist, melodramatic or crackpot, or is there good reason to be scared about how this war could potentially cause great damage to democracy in the US and Israel?


Added info about war propaganda from PD and Matthew:



Channel 4 News (UK) also finds problems with Israel's account/s. This is a very interesting, detailed analysis of the hospital explosion.

Israel lied about never hitting hospitals, reported by Norman Finkelstein.

Thursday, October 19, 2023

Trump's stolen election legal strategy Dec-Jan 2020

A fascinating NYT article, Trump Lawyer Acknowledged Political Agenda in Election Suit, Emails Show, describes the legal reasoning that Kenneth Chesebro and other DJT attorneys were discussing before DJT's 1/6 coup attempt. The emails here are evidence in the RICO case in Georgia against DJT and 18 other people, one of which the Kraken (Sidney Powell) who agreed to a plead deal to stay out of jail. 

The bottom line is that the lawyers thought that overturning or stopping the 2020 election in court would fail, but that by filing lawsuits there would be political value in creating a false impression among DJT's supporters that the courts were corrupted and Democrats had rigged the election. The NYT writes:
Kenneth Chesebro’s comments undercut assertions that Donald J. Trump’s lawyers were simply providing legal advice in challenging the 2020 results

On Dec. 24, 2020, Kenneth Chesebro and other lawyers fighting to reverse President Donald J. Trump’s election defeat were debating whether to file litigation contesting Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in Wisconsin, a key swing state.

Mr. Chesebro argued there was little doubt that the litigation would fail in court — he put the odds of winning at “1 percent” — as Mr. Trump continued to push his baseless claims of widespread fraud, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.

But the “relevant analysis,” Mr. Chesebro argued, “is political.”

Mr. Chesebro’s lawyers have argued that his work was shielded by the First Amendment and that he “acted within his capacity as a lawyer.” They have called for his case to be dismissed, saying he was merely “researching and finding precedents in order to form a legal opinion, which was then supplied to his client, the Trump campaign.”

Mr. Trump has also signaled that one of his possible defenses is that he was simply acting on the advice of his lawyers.

But Mr. Chesebro’s emails could undercut any effort to show that the lawyers were focused solely on legal strategies. Rather than considering just the law and the facts of the case, Mr. Chesebro made clear he was considering politics and was well aware of how the Trump campaign’s legal filings could be used as ammunition for Republicans’ efforts to overturn the results when Congress met to certify the Electoral College outcome on Jan. 6, 2021.

“Just getting this on file means that on Jan. 6, the court will either have ruled on the merits or, vastly more likely, will have appeared to dodge again,” Mr. Chesebro wrote in the email chain. He added that a lack of action by the Supreme Court would feed “the impression that the courts lacked the courage to fairly and timely consider these complaints, and justifying a political argument on Jan. 6 that none of the electoral votes from the states with regard to which the judicial process has failed should be counted.”

Mr. Chesebro wrote that it was “hard to have enormous optimism about what will happen on Jan. 6, but a lot can happen in the 13 days left until then, and I think having as many states under review both judicially and in state legislatures as possible is ideal.”

He said the legal filings could produce a “political payoff” to bolster the argument that “there should at least be extended debate in Congress about election irregularities in each state.” He added that “the public should come away from this believing that the election in Wisconsin was likely rigged, and stolen by Biden and Harris, who were not legitimately elected.”

Responding to the email chain was John Eastman, the conservative lawyer who has also been charged in the Georgia election case. Mr. Eastman said he believed the legal arguments were “rock solid” but the odds of success were “not based on the legal merits, but an assessment of the justices’ spines. And I understand that there is a heated fight underway.”

Mr. Chesebro responded: “I particularly agree that getting this on file gives more ammo to the justices fighting for the court to intervene. I think the odds of action before Jan. 6 will become more favorable if the justices start to fear that there will be ‘wild’ chaos on Jan. 6 unless they rule by then, either way.”
A key point here is that the attorneys knew the election was not stolen, but they wanted to create a false reality of a stolen election in the minds of as many of DJT's supporters as possible. Apparently they did a darn good job. 

Chesebro tried to keep the email out of court, but the judge ruled that the emails are admissible in court under the crime-fraud exception because probable cause had been established that the correspondence or lawyer’s advice (normally shielded from discovery and kept out of court) was used in furtherance of a crime.

What those attorneys were trying to do amounts to treason in my opinion, but that's not how the law  sees it. One can hope that Chesebro gets convicted and spends at least 20 years in jail. The cadre of treasonous stolen election lawyers caused enormous damage to this country.