Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Saturday, July 31, 2021

POSTULATE

 Postulate:

There are those who predict doom and gloom for the U.S.

Everything from Fascism to a complete societal breakdown, while others believe it will be less severe, more a return to an era of Jim Crow, banned abortions, rightwing policies.

Others, and I include myself in this, think this is all overblown. I grant you, it looks bad right now, but we did un-elect the One and Done, even in Red states electric charging stations are popping up, solar farms popping up, Confederate statues being taken down, etc.

BUT it is also what we don't see, at least in the Media that likes to spread Angst.

I have posted this on previous threads, but let me try again:

Black and white kids playing together.

Gay couples opening walking down the street.

Prior to Covid, violent crime DOWN across the nation, it really was, but you wouldn't know it from the day to day bombardment of violence in the news.

Growing up all I saw were white faces, now almost all neighborhoods have Hispanic, Muslim, Asian faces. 

OUR YOUNG PEOPLE are overwhelmingly progressive, except of course, they don't vote in large numbers, but one day they will and we will see a swing back to Liberalism in this country.

However, there is no denying, that with the Right becoming more engaged and dangerous, with new Covid variants likely to grow in number, not diminish, with more extremists taking up arms, there is good cause for SOME Angst.

Now for the rub:

The biggest threat to our existence is INTOLERANCE OF SOMEONE'S ELSE'S VIEWS.

We have devolved into a nation of name-callers, labelers, and hatred towards any group that doesn't side with us.

So going back to my opening line: Postulate

Not just for this year or next year, but further down the road, where are we heading?

Are we really heading for Fascism, or just a rollback to the 1950s before there is another correction and we move again towards Progressiveness?


Postulate.

Vaccine regret stories

Some stories are coming out about people who did not get vaccinated and then got infected and became sick. Ones who did not get sick probably don't regret their decisions. Others who are sick now continue to deny they are infected with COVID and firmly believe they have the flu. The New York Times writes:
Some people hospitalized with the virus still vow not to get vaccinated, and surveys suggest that a majority of unvaccinated Americans are not budging. Doctors in Covid units say some patients still refuse to believe they are infected with anything beyond the flu.

“We have people in the I.C.U. with Covid who are denying they have Covid,” said Dr. Matthew Sperry, a pulmonary critical care physician who has been treating Mr. Greene. “It doesn’t matter what we say.”

Still, some hospitals swamped with patients in largely conservative, unvaccinated swaths of the country have begun to recruit Covid survivors as public health messengers of last resort.  
Theirs are Scared Straight stories for a pandemic that has thrived on misinformation, fear and hardened partisan divisions over whether or not to get vaccinated.
One woman in Utah who regretted not getting vaccinated now worries that her hospitalized husband will die from his COVID infection. She wrote on her Facebook page: “We did not get the vaccine. I read all kinds of things about the vaccine and it scared me. So I made the decision and prayed about it and got the impression that we would be ok. If I had the information I have today, we would have gotten vaccinated.”


The woman in Utah with her family at home 
while dad is in the hospital critically ill

She told the NYT, “I have such incredible guilt. I blame myself still. Every day. I will always regret that I listened to the misinformation being put out there. They’re creating fear.” In that, one can clearly see the destructive power of dark free speech and disinformation about COVID. Some people believe it. Some who are infected refuse to believe the literal reality of their situation.

This again shows that dark free speech leads some people to firmly believe things that are clearly false. The NYT described people's fear as coming from “a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories touted by anti-vaccine lawyers and YouTubers, and videos in which anti-vaccine doctors and nurses decried the Covid-19 shots as bioweapons.” 

Questions: What responsibility, if any, do people and groups, e.g., Fox News, the Republican Party, etc., that spread lies about COVID bear for the suffering and deaths their deceit has caused, even if they themselves were deceived? Do people who fall for the lies and emotional manipulation bear full responsibility? Does it matter for those who now express regret are honest and public about their mistake? 


the pandemic alive and growing
Go Laura! Keep on lying to the public!
Keep on killing people!!


On the fragility of democracy

Fareed Zakaria writes in a Washington Post opinion piece:
The news this week that democracy is imperiled in Tunisia — the only success story of the Arab Spring — comes just three weeks after we heard that Haiti’s president had been assassinated. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, the government seems unable to establish authority across the country. It got me thinking about one of the fundamental questions of politics: Why is it so difficult to develop and sustain liberal democracy?

The best recent work on this subject comes from a remarkable pair of scholars, Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson. In their latest book, “The Narrow Corridor,” they have answered this question with great insight. In every society, they note, the first step is simply achieving some measure of order and stability. History is littered with places where gangs, warlords and tribes rule and the state is never able to effectively consolidate power and govern. That was Afghanistan’s past and might be its future.

If political order is rare, liberal political order is rarer still. Liberal democracy is the Goldilocks form of government. It needs a state that is strong enough to govern effectively but not so strong that it crushes the liberties and rights of its people. The authors call this “the shackled Leviathan.” (Thomas Hobbes used the biblical monster Leviathan to describe a powerful state.) Getting to liberal democracy requires that societies travel through a “narrow corridor,” one that allows the state to build power while allowing for the growth of a civil society that asserts itself and fights for rights. Together, they create the delicate balance between stability and freedom. Countries in the West have succeeded because they have managed to build up both strong states and strong societies.

In Afghanistan, despite two decades of efforts, the state has failed to gain control over much of the country, creating what the authors call the “absent Leviathan.” In Egypt, the state is too strong. After a brief flirtation with democracy after the Arab Spring, the country reverted to dictatorship. Other parts of the world have “paper Leviathans” — governments that exercise power mostly to enrich a small elite at the top. Think of Nigeria or Venezuela.

How did the West get Goldilocks politics? The authors cite two opposing forces. First, there was the legacy of the Roman Empire, which provided institutions, laws and traditions that made it possible to create order. Second, the northern European tribes, rooted in egalitarian assemblies, had a tradition of challenging powerful leaders. The contest between nobles and kings — and later, I would add, between church and state, and among the hundreds of states, duchies and principalities of medieval Europe — all helped individual liberty grow and flourish.

Zakaria goes on to argue that liberal democracy in the West is a matter of an unusual history, not cultural superiority. Although a few countries such as India and South Korea had a similar balance, but it is hard to maintain it. Liberal democracy really is fragile and rare. The phenomenon of “illiberal democracy” began to arise in the 1990s when democratically elected leaders started systematically abusing power and depriving people of democratic rights. They attacked and weakened liberal, constitutional government and supporting institutions. Established democracies such as India are moving into anti-democratic authoritarianism. 

Zakaria asserts that Russia lost its democracy and has reverted to dictatorship, apparently the normal human condition. Countries such as the US that have the right state-society balance are in a good situation. The US is in an era of democratic dysfunction, with populism threatening political institutions and norms that used to be taken as neutral. He argues that this anti-democratic mindset is the most dangerous in the Republican Party with its successful push to politicize vote counting and access to voting in red states.


Where does the main threat lie?
Based on poll data, most Republicans, conservatives and a significant number of independents see radical Democrats, socialism and government tyranny as the main threat to democracy and the rule of law. Others see the radical right Republican Party and radical fundamentalist Christianity as the grave and imminent threat, especially in view of the progress that movement has made in the last ~5 years. Where does the most urgent threat lie? 

Is the American liberal democracy a Goldilocks form of government that is inherently too unstable to last much longer? If it is unstable and on the verge of collapse, what is most likely to replace it, e.g., fascist tyranny, socialist tyranny, kleptocratic plutocracy, endless social instability and violence, maybe driven by two flavors (left and right) of autocratic tyranny, Christian theocratic autocracy, etc.? Or, is American democracy just fine and not under any serious imminent threat?

Friday, July 30, 2021

Names and companies to remember: Patrick M. Byrne, former CEO of Overstock. com, et al.

American fascists

By now it is clear that most of the fascist GOP (FGOP) and most of its rank and file want to reject the 2020 election and just install the ex-president by fiat. The most common "reason" is the blatantly false claim there was widespread election fraud  and Biden is illegitimate. The 2nd most common is "to reassure voters that the election was not fraudulent." Neither excuse amounts to anything close to honest or persuasive based on the evidence in the public record so far. For example, the need for voter "reassurance" is based on a continuous torrent of FGOP lies that the election was stolen. 

So, when names of rich and powerful backers and companies of this new American brand of fascism pop up, it seems reasonable to at least mention them. Not surprisingly, most try to hide, downplay or deny their immoral role in fomenting American fascism. They like to invoke plausible deniability and pretend they are patriotic and pro-democracy. Instead, they are fascist thugs lying to the American people to manipulate and betray them and democracy. As usual for autocrats and kleptocrats, they rely heavily on toxic but legal dark free speech.

The New York Times writes today about the fraudulent "vote audit" the FGOP-corrupted state of Arizona is pretending to conduct:
It had been apparent since the review began in April that supporters of Mr. Trump were both donating money to the effort and recruiting volunteers to work on it. But the sources and size of the donations had not been disclosed until Wednesday.

According to the Cyber Ninjas statement, the largest donation, $3.25 million, was made by a newly created group, The America Project, led by Patrick M. Byrne, the former chief executive of the Overstock. com website and a prominent proponent of false claims that the November election was rigged.

Mr. Byrne resigned his post at Overstock in 2019 after it was disclosed that he had an intimate relationship with Maria Butina, a gun-rights activist who was jailed in 2018 as an unregistered foreign agent for Russia and later deported. He later said he had contributed $500,000 to the Arizona review, and produced a film featuring [Cyber Ninja CEO] Doug Logan that claimed the November election was fraudulent.

The statement said that another pro-Trump group, America’s Future, contributed $976,514 to the review. The group this year named Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser, the retired Army officer Michael T. Flynn, as its chairman. Mr. Flynn is a vocal conspiracy theorist who once called for the military to “rerun” the 2020 election.

An additional $605,000 came from Voices and Votes, a group organized by Christina Bobb, an anchor for the pro-Trump cable channel One America News, who solicited donations for the review while covering it. A fourth group that was reported to have donated $550,000, Defending the Republic, is tied to Sidney Powell, the former attorney to Mr. Trump who led a failed legal campaign to overturn the election results.

The last reported donor, the Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic, was reported to have donated $280,000. The fund was established by a Michigan lawyer, Robert Matheson, to help finance Ms. Powell’s lawsuits, but since has launched other fund-raising efforts.
Of course, one cannot overlook the fascist company Cyber Ninjas and its fascist CEO Doug Logan. Logan is a well-known spreader of the anti-democracy stolen vote lie. He is making money from doing the faux vote audit in corrupted Arizona. The NYT reported that although Logan claims the identity of its funders was being made public “as we continue our commitment to transparency,” that is yet another lie. The audit has been opaque. Logan fought efforts to allow observers of his sloppy, faux audit. 

Logan was forced to reveal the funders in response to an Arizona county court order two weeks ago that the sources of the review’s funding be released to the public. That court order came after fascist Republicans in the state Senate fought against making them and other records of the faux audit process public. That's fascist "transparency" for you. The rest of us call it opacity hiding lies, corruption and anti-democratic sleaze.


American fascism


To summarize, here's the list of corrupt FGOP fascists and their lying fascist groups and companies from this article:

Patrick M. Byrne, traitor, liar and fascist former CEO, 
Overstock. com, The America Project


Doug Logan, liar and fascist CEO, Cyber Ninjas
at the "audit" in Arizona

Logan without the mask


Michael T. Flynn, traitor, liar and fascist pardoned felon, 
America's Future


Christina Bobb, liar and professional fascist propagandist, 
One America News, Voices and Votes

Sidney Powell, liar and fascist lawyer, 
Defending the Republic


Robert Matheson, liar and fascist lawyer, 
Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic

Notice how some of the fascist political groups involved in attacking the Republic and democracy have names that imply or are the literal opposite of what they actually do, e.g., "Defending the Republic" is attacking the Republic. That tactic is common in politics. To mislead people, all kinds of things get named to invoke the opposite of what they want and work for. Even the names of these groups constitutes a lie. Lies are everywhere in American fascism. More honest and transparent names would be:

The America Project = The American Fascism Project

America's Future = America's Fascist Future

Voices and Votes = Fascist Voices and Votes

Defending the Republic = Building a Fascist Republic

Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic = Legal Defense Fund for a Fascist America


And, it's tax exempt!
Unfortunately, all of the groups are (probably) tax exempt "non-profit" organizations under tax law. In essence, the American Tax code subsidizes fascism in its attempt to overthrow democracy and the rule of law in America. And, it just might succeed. That is really screwed up.


American fascists

Questions: Is the emphasis here on fascism over the top or warranted in view of the evidence in the public record so far? Whatabout Antifa?

If the bib fits, wear it ;(

                                 


What is your opinion on state governments offering incentives for the unvaccinated to get the COVID shot(s)?

My opinion is below in the posting area.

Thanks for posting your opinion and recommending.

Thursday, July 29, 2021

What happened to the annual flu season?

Data coming in indicates that 2020-2021 flu season has been eliminated. Measures to slow the COVID pandemic appear to have almost completely stopped the spread of flu this year. An April 2021 article in Scientific American, Flu Has Disappeared for More Than a Year, included this data:



Extended data through this month indicates that the flu virus never took off. Infections in North America, temperate South America and Oceania all remained at very low levels so far this year. SciAm commented: "When Scientific American first published influenza data in November 2020, the 2020-2021 flu season looked like a possible no-show. Since then, cases around the world remained near zero."

At least, one can reasonably believe that (1) masks are effective to some extent for flu and probably most other virus diseases, and (2) COVID is more infectious than this year's flu strains. A few science deniers continue to argue that masks don't work and COVID is a hoax. The flu data indicates that masks do work to at least some extent and flu isn't responsible for deaths that have been attributed to COVID. 


Wednesday, July 28, 2021

Eight+ minutes of wasted time…

 

Yesterday after I watch the Jan 6th Committee hearing, out of curiosity I tuned into FOX News to see what they had to say.  One of the fellows whom Pelosi had rejected for that select committee, Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN), was being interviewed.

If you have the time to spare and have the stomach for it, below is the full 8:20 interview: 

Click here.

Well, that was good for a belly laugh.  Here are some of my favorite Banks quotes:

“The voice of the majority was taken away…” No.  Banks and Jordan voted, on June 30th, to NOT have any commission hearings, so you guys GAVE your voice away. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/politics/republicans-january-6-select-committee-vote/index.html

Couple that with Kevin McCarthy stubbornly pulling the other three Republicans that Pelosi agreed to have on the committee. 

https://www.axios.com/pelosi-jim-jordan-banks-select-committee-62a31383-be98-485b-933c-e56a28ca5a84.html

“The committee was designed to malign conservatives and justify the left’s authoritarian agenda.”  The left's authoritarian agenda?? Oh, now that’s a gut-splitter!  See all the voter suppression tactics that's happening in Republican-run State Houses.  Google it, as there are too many to list.

“What is the speaker trying to hide by not letting me and Jordan in the room to ask questions?”  Answer: She didn’t want another Gym "foaming at the mouth" Jordan shit-show to happen.  Sorry to break it to you Jim-bo, but that makes her one of the sane ones.

“Imagine where this goes from here.”  Oh yeah.  We’re imagining alright…😉


“Every word that has come out of everyone’s mouth on this committee, has been strategically designed by Nancy Pelosi to fit her narrative.”  LOLing.


“I’m not aware … I have yet to meet a Republican in Congress who has minimized and doesn’t believe that what happened on Jan 6th was serious.” Reallllly?

https://apnews.com/article/politics-michael-pence-donald-trump-election-2020-capitol-siege-549829098c84b9b8de3012673a104a4c

“If you’re not willing to investigate the bureaucratic failure of what happened on that day that left the Capital vulnerable to an attach…” Stops suddenly there and changes subject, probably realizing that he voted to NOT have hearings.  Can I hear an Oops!

“Subpoenaing someone for something that happened after Jan the 6th makes no sense.”  Huh?  Say again?? [pulls left upper lip up, cocks head]

And now some bonus material... Take a look at the screen crawler/chyron at the 1:48 mark.  “Medical Examiner: Officer Sicknick died of natural causes the day after the riot.”  “Natural causes” he says.  How about poisoning/poison inhalation, assault with deadly weapons, trauma to the body, etc.?

Maybe it’s just me, but I gotta wonder, how does a man like Banks stand there with a straight face and say these things??  He and I really operate out of two different reality bubbles.

Your Task: Poke as many holes in this interview as you can.  Provide evidence [links] if you feel some parts of it are legitimate.

Thanks for posting and recommending.

Science update: The iron-air battery

Some sources are reporting on a possible breakthrough in iron-air batteries. The goal is to get cost of energy storage down to about $20 per megawatt-hour (MW-h). That is enough to run about 1,000 homes for 1 hour. The idea is simple -- adding oxygen from air to iron causes the metal to rust and give off electricity. The battery is recharged by using electricity energy to remove the oxygen, converting the rust back to metallic iron. Current iron-air batteries require about 1 acre of land for 1 MW of storage, with ~3 MW/acre theoretically possible. One acre is an area of 43560 sq. ft. or about 200 x 217 feet.


Iron-air batteries are made of low cost materials. The question is can they actually be manufactured to store energy for ~$20/MW-h? If that cost point can be reached, it would mark a major milestone for humans and civilization. One could envision a drastic reduction in the need for carbon energy sources, maybe about 85-90%. 

They [iron-air batteries] take in power from renewable sources, storing that energy for up to 150 hours and discharging it to the grid when renewables are offline.

Each individual battery is about the size of a washing machine.

Each of these modules is filled with a water-based, non-flammable electrolyte, similar to the electrolyte used in AA batteries.

Inside of the liquid electrolyte are stacks of between 10 and 20 meter-scale cells, which include iron electrodes and air electrodes, the parts of the battery that enable the electrochemical reactions to store and discharge electricity.

These battery modules are grouped together in modular megawatt-scale power blocks, which comprise thousands of battery modules in an environmentally protected enclosure.

Depending on the system size, tens to hundreds of these power blocks will be connected to the electricity grid.

For scale, in its least dense version , a one megawatt system requires about an acre of land.

Higher density configurations can achieve 3MW/acre.

A Boston-area company involved in developing iron air batteries, Form Energy, has high powered researchers and financial backers. The Washington Post writes in an opinion piece today:
A Boston-area company, Form Energy, announced recently that it has created a battery prototype that stores large amounts of power and releases it not over hours, but over more than four days. And that isn’t the best part. The battery’s main ingredients are iron and oxygen, both incredibly plentiful here on God’s green Earth — and therefore reliably cheap.

Put the two facts together, and you arrive at a sort of tipping point for green energy: reliable power from renewable sources at less than $20 per megawatt-hour. 
Form Energy is no seat-of-the-pants outfit. Its founders include Mateo Jaramillo, former head of battery development for Tesla, and MIT professor Yet-Ming Chiang, among the world’s foremost battery scientists. Investors include Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, Amazon founder and Post owner Jeff Bezos, the iron and steel colossus ArcelorMittal, and MIT’s The Engine, a strategic fund aimed at long-term solutions to big problems.  
According to its announcement, Form Energy has the process working well under lab conditions. The next step is to build a warehouse-size battery plant to support an electric utility in Minnesota. If successful, a one-megawatt battery will be able to power the entire utility for nearly a week between charges by 2024.

Then we’ll begin to know just how important this is.

Tuesday, July 27, 2021

What fascist Republicans vehemently oppose: House Hearings on the fascist 1/6 coup attempt

We will be hearing more from this in coming days. But some of the testimony today deserves some respect. The Washington Post writes:
There are people who believe that the moon landing never happened, that the astronauts in the footage all the world saw were actually bouncing around on a soundstage hidden away somewhere. But they aren’t making our laws, they aren’t invited on TV to discuss their perspective, and they don’t have the ability to influence millions.

Yet there are people who deny the truth of what happened in Washington on Jan. 6, despite all the video, all the contemporaneous reports, all the guilty pleas, and all the testimony. And they have a lot more power.

Tuesday’s first hearing of the select House committee investigating the insurrection, with vivid testimony from four police officers who stood against a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters overrunning the Capitol in an attempt to overturn a presidential election, should put at least some questions about that day to rest.

Still recovering from their physical and mental injuries, the officers seemed particularly incensed that the truth of what happened that day is denied by so many on the right, from Trump himself on down.

“To me, it’s insulting, just demoralizing because of everything that we did to prevent everyone in the Capitol from getting hurt,” said Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell about the effort to minimize what happened that day, including by Trump. (“It was a loving crowd,” the former president told Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, “There was a lot of love. I’ve heard that from everybody.”)

Well, there you have it, there was a lot of love in all that hate and violence. Those dumb officers. Incensed that the fascist right, including the ex-president, denies truth. As the ex-president says, it was just a loving crowd full of love. It was not anything close to these images of threat, hate and rage:



SHOOT HER!! SHOOT HER!! SHOOT HER!!
(but bayonet her guts first)

Instead, January 6 was an innocent show of infinite love, peace and tolerance. You know, clearly and undeniably shown and proven in soft, loving images like these:







IMO, the fascist Republican Party and its constant lies, corruption and treason are deeply immoral, and their defenses are usually not even slightly persuasive. Not even a little. 


Questions: Should that evil socialist witch confronting the National Guard have been impaled on bayonets and then shot full of holes? Should the righteous, patriotic tourists of 1/6 been excused for their minor infractions that the law accords all innocent tourists? Is the 1/6 coup attempt how a fascist leader incites fascist inclined followers to fall deeper into the endless pit of hate and lies that American fascism grows and thrives on, or is it a sincere expression of love, tolerance and peace? Am I over the top, outrageous, unfair or otherwise waaay off the mark on this matter?


Peaceful tourists peacefully greeting law enforcement
personnel at the capital during the 1/6 coup attempt


A peaceful tourist expressing his love of country

Ire directed at unvaccinated people is rising

The New York Times reports that increasingly vaccinated people are losing patience with people who refuse to get vaccinated. Some are concerned for their children, who are too young to be vaccinated. Others are concerned about the possibility of lockdowns or reinfections after vaccination. Vaccine hesitancy or refusal is based on legitimate concern about the lack of long-term safety data and/or illegitimate disinformation. So far, vaccines have been in people for about 16 moths. Thus the safety data is limited to that length of time, but it obviously increases as time passes. The New York Times writes:
As coronavirus cases resurge across the country, many inoculated Americans are losing patience with vaccine holdouts who, they say, are neglecting a civic duty or clinging to conspiracy theories and misinformation even as new patients arrive in emergency rooms and the nation renews mask advisories.

The country seemed to be exiting the pandemic; barely a month ago, a sense of celebration was palpable. Now many of the vaccinated fear for their unvaccinated children and worry that they are at risk themselves for breakthrough infections. Rising case rates are upending plans for school and workplace reopenings, and threatening another wave of infections that may overwhelm hospitals in many communities.

“It’s like the sun has come up in the morning and everyone is arguing about it,” said Jim Taylor, 66, a retired civil servant in Baton Rouge, La., a state in which fewer than half of adults are fully vaccinated.

“The virus is here and it’s killing people, and we have a time-tested way to stop it — and we won’t do it. It’s an outrage.”

The rising sentiment is contributing to support for more coercive measures. Scientists, business leaders and government officials are calling for vaccine mandates — if not by the federal government, then by local jurisdictions, schools, employers and businesses.

“I’ve become angrier as time has gone on,” said Doug Robertson, 39, a teacher who lives outside Portland, Ore., and has three children too young to be vaccinated, including a toddler with a serious health condition.

“Now there is a vaccine and a light at the end of the tunnel, and some people are choosing not to walk toward it,” he said. “You are making it darker for my family and others like mine by making that choice.”

“It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks,” a frustrated Gov. Kay Ivey, Republican of Alabama, told reporters last week. “It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”

Even though she is fully vaccinated, Aimee McLean, a nurse case manager at University of Utah Hospital in Salt Lake City, worries about contracting the virus from a patient and inadvertently passing it to her father, who has a serious chronic lung disease. Less than half of Utah’s population is fully vaccinated.

“The longer that we’re not getting toward that number, the more it feels like there’s a decent percentage of the population that honestly doesn’t care about us as health care workers,” Ms. McLean, 46, said.

She suggested health insurers link coverage of hospital bills to immunization. “If you choose not to be part of the solution, then you should be accountable for the consequences,” she said.

The NYT goes on to comment that 57% of Americans 12 and older are fully vaccinated. Americans are still getting about 537,000 doses per day on average. That is an 84% decrease from a ~3.38 million peak in early April. The combination of a low vaccination rate and lifted restrictions have caused infections to rise. As of last Sunday, there were an average of 52,000 daily new cases, That is a 170% increase over two weeks before then. Hospitalization and death rates are also slowly increasing. 

A parent of a young son in Connecticut commented after a relative who refused vaccination became infected, “I feel like we’re at that same precipice as just a year ago, where people don’t care if more people die.” That parent is worried that his son will become infected from his unvaccinated relative. Similarly, an engineering teacher at the University of Florida, in Gainesville commented, “If we’re respecting the rights and liberties of the unvaccinated, what’s happening to the rights and liberties of the vaccinated?”

One woman who refuses to get vaccinated comments that she is “taking my time with it.” She is concerned about possible long-term vaccine side effects and the rush to get them approved and used by the public. She also commented that “I shouldn’t be judged or forced to make a decision. Society will just have to wait for us.”


Questions: What’s happening to the rights and liberties of the vaccinated? Should vaccinated people have a right to be free from fear of infection from people who refuse to get vaccinated? Should unvaccinated people be financially responsible if they get sick or infect other people? Does the lack of long-term safety data beyond about 16 months justify refusal to be vaccinated?[A] Is society justified in judging people who refuse to get vaccinated or coercing them into getting vaccinated? How much longer should society be forced to wait?

Is distrust of government, the CDC and/or the FDA a legitimate reason to distrust the COVID vaccines, i.e., does distrust simply sweep away or obliterate existing empirical evidence of safety and efficacy? 


Footnote: 
A. My guess is that the probability of the rise of a major new adverse side-effect from the vaccines available now is very low, maybe 1 chance in ~1,000,000 in the next 5 years. That estimate is based on the following factors:

1. Experience from decades of widespread vaccine use globally indicates that previously unknown side effects from vaccines usually become apparent within about weeks 6-8 of clinical trial use, usually a lot longer than that. All major side effects usually become apparent during clinical trials which look closely for adverse side effects.  

2. Such evidence goes back at least to the 1960s (a short review article is here).

3. Some of the factors that caused serious side effects including deaths from vaccines are not present in the current anti-COVID vaccines. The current COVID vaccines contain the nucleic acid from the spike protein so it is impossible for the entire virus to be reconstituted or reassembled as has happened in the past with some vaccines such as the polio vaccine. That was a major source of serious side effects that is simply off the table for COVID.

4. CDC data indicates that over 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine were given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, which is a massive number of people from which safety data is being drawn. So far, the CDC reports two serious adverse events has been observed through its vaccine safety monitoring system. The CDC writes: "To date, the systems in place to monitor the safety of these vaccines have found only two serious types of health problems after vaccination, both of which are rare. These are anaphylaxis and thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after vaccination with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected."

5. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on a relatively new technology that delivers nucleic acid (RNA) that encodes the COVID spike protein to human cells, which in turn make the protein, which then causes an immune response against the virus. Similar RNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in phase 1 and phase 2 safety trials in people. So far, this kind of vaccine technology has been found to be safe with other viruses, although these experimental vaccines are not on the market, presumably due to lack of efficacy, manufacturing cost and/or unstable or small market size (Zika). Current evidence is that all of the COVID vaccines on the market now are clearly effective enough for mass public use, so that is not a legitimate concern. (link to a general audience article about how RNA COVID vaccines work)

6. The vaccines were developed faster than any others I am aware of. The development time cut off at least 3-5 years of normal development time. The article linked to above comments: "All COVID-19 vaccines have to meet the same rigorous FDA safety standards as any other vaccine. You may be wondering then, how these COVID-19 vaccines were developed so quickly compared to the vaccines of the past, which took years to create. The speed happened on the front end in the development of the vaccines. Because of massive public and private funding, many of the financial hurdles that can delay research projects were removed. But the testing and approval processes were no different than those for other vaccines in the past.

The reported side effects of the mRNA vaccines were temporary symptoms such as fever and muscle aches, similar to what some people experience after getting other vaccines. Most common side effects of a vaccine are identified in studies before the vaccine is licensed. In rare cases, adverse side effects may not be detected in these studies, which is why the U.S. vaccine safety system continuously monitors for side effects after a vaccine is licensed." (emphasis added)