Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass. Most people are good.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Saturday, September 20, 2025

Some interesting polling......

 IF you trust YouGov. 

A recent YouGov survey asked Democrats, Republicans, and Independents who lean towards either party about potential 2028 presidential candidates.

Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris are the politicians among a list of 12 in the poll whom Democrats and Democratic-leaning Independents are by far most likely to say they'd consider voting for in a 2028 Democratic presidential primary: 55% say they'd consider Newsom, and 54% Harris.

(If the Dems go with Harris they will be committing political suicide, just my opinion)

Newsom's standing has risen significantly since similar questions were asked on the Economist/YouGov Poll in April. The share of Democrats and Democratic-leaning Independents who say they would consider voting for him as the Democratic nominee in 2028 has risen 24 percentage points, to 55% from 31%. The share who say Newsom is their ideal candidate has increased 16 points, to 23% from 7%.

Democrats and Democratic-leaning Independents are most likely to say they'd be disappointed to have Harris (19%), Sanders (18%), or Booker (17%) as the 2028 nominee. The shares saying they'd be disappointed by Booker, Buttigieg, Whitmer, or Kelly becoming the Democratic nominee have increased since April, while the share who'd be disappointed by Newsom as nominee has declined.

(Now, there is a shocker. Why would Buttigieg and Booker's numbers be declining? I happen to really like both as possible VP candidates)

Among Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents, by far the largest share say JD Vance (65%) is someone they would consider voting for in the 2028 Republican presidential primary, from a list of 11 options in the poll that did not include President Trump; respondents could select all whom they would consider.

Vance is followed by Ron DeSantis (40%), Donald Trump, Jr. (37%), Marco Rubio (33%), and Ted Cruz (29%). 

(Don Trump Jr? I hope they run him, it would be as bad for the Republicans as running Harris would be for the Democrats.)

Finally:

Nearly half (46%) of Americans expect that Trump will attempt to serve a third term as president, while 37% think he will not. Democrats are more than twice as likely as Republicans to think he will attempt to do so (67% vs. 27%).

Only 13% of Americans think that Trump should attempt to serve a third term; 78% think he should not. Among Republicans, 30% think he should do so, while 58% say he should not.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52959-who-do-democrats-and-republicans-want-as-their-2028-presidential-nominees

Friday, September 19, 2025

The Reichstag Blueprint—Unmasking the Real Hate Speech

 



In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, America stands at a crossroads reminiscent of the 1933 Reichstag fire—a moment Hitler exploited to dismantle democracy. Amid the grief and chaos, the most dangerous hate speech is not from the suspected killer, Tyler Robinson, but from a single X post by “dissident-right” influencer Matt Forney.
This post, still live as of 09:45 AM EDT on September 19, is a grotesque betrayal of American values, and its tolerance exposes a moral crisis demanding urgent action.

On the day of Kirk’s death, Forney posted:


“Charlie Kirk being assassinated is the American Reichstag fire. It is time for a complete crackdown on the left. Every Democratic politician must be arrested and the party banned under RICO. Every libtard commentator must be shut down. Stochastic terrorism. They caused this.”

Though this hardly registered in the media reports in the US, The Guardian wrote: 

"White supremacist Matt Forney, in a post that has been viewed over one million times, compared Kirk’s death to the Reichstag fire of 1933 (the arson attack on the German parliament building by a Dutch communist, which Hitler used to justify his aggressive crackdown against communists). “It is time for a complete crackdown on the left,” said Forney. “Every Democratic politician must be arrested and the party banned under RICO … they caused this.”...Overnight, a blacklist website was set up to name and shame people who were perceived as “celebrating” Kirk’s death on social media. The website is called “Charlie’s Murderers”.

This is not just rhetoric—it is a blueprint for authoritarianism. Forney explicitly calls for America to emulate Hitler's tactic of using the Reichstag fire (whether set by Marinus van der Lubbe or exploited by the Nazis, per Richard J. Evans, 2003) to suspend civil liberties and purge opposition. This appears to be happening.  Calling for arresting all Democrats and banning their party is not only historically resonant—it’s incitement fit for Hamm and Spaaij’s (2017) definition of mass media provocation to unpredictable violence. That no major outlet has condemned it, while the post remains undisturbed, shatters the sacred American rule: thou shalt not emulate Nazis.

A Rash of Hate Speech and Incitement to Violence from the Right:

Forney's particular framing is the most atrocious, but others managed to get the same point across in words only slightly less chilling.

Steve Bannon: “Charlie Kirk is a casualty of war. We are at war in this country. We are.”

Elon Musk: “If they won’t leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die,”

Jesse Watters: (Fox host) “They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not. What are we gonna do about it?...Everybody’s accountable … the politicians, the media, and all these rats out there. This can never happen again. It ends now. This is a turning point and we know which direction we’re going.” 

Matt Walsh: (Podcaster)“We are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell...This is existential. A fight for our own existence and the existence of our country.”

And, of course, Trump  stated that "the radical left [is] directly responsible for the terrorism we are seeing in our country today,” and vowed to “find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence," which he immediately and without evidence blamed "the radical left... and organizations who fund it and support it." (All quotes here)

  The Real Charlie Kirk: A Catalyst, Not a Martyr

Kirk, co-founder of Turning Point USA, wasn’t the saint now canonized. His Professor Watchlist emboldened intimidation and death threats against academics, while his $300k salary (up from $27k in 2016, ProPublica) fueled alt-right mobilization. His polarizing rhetoric fueled division, yet this is now erased as he’s painted a First Amendment victim of the “Left.”

Scrubbing the Truth: DOJ Data Deletions

In an act as chilling as any rhetoric, the Department of Justice quietly deleted a January 2024 NIJ report documenting over 227 far-right terror attacks and 520+ deaths since 1990, versus just 42 far-left attacks and 78 deaths. This report vanished mere days after Trump publicly insisted, against all prior evidence, that “most crime is from the left.” The DOJ offered no explanation, and journalists revealed that nearly 1,000 additional pages—many referencing hate crimes, police accountability, and state-level data—were removed earlier this year under Trump's executive orders.


The result: The public is left defenseless against coordinated revisionism, losing empirical anchors at the very moment the administration pushes to federalize policing in major “blue cities” and amplify fear with unverifiable, politicized crime claims.

Blaming the “Radical Left” Before the Truth

Before Robinson’s arrest on September 12, Trump (like Forney and countless other right wing provocateurs) rushed to blame the “radical left.” Forney’s post set the tone, immediately echoed by Trump’s September 10 speech. This preemptive scapegoating flatly mirrors Hitler’s own “communist conspiracy” narrative, exploiting fear for political gain.

Tyler Robinson: A Disturbed Local, Not a Leftist Pawn

Robinson, 22, came from a conservative Mormon family, with no party affiliation and no voting record. Governor Cox admitted, “I prayed it would not be one of us.I prayed it would be someone who drovve in from another state or came from another country [i.e. immigrant] but those prayers were not answered.” It was  not an outsider, and despite the hysteria being normalized about radical left wing groups, there is not a shred of evidence at this time to suggest any left wing network. . The Right’s desperate “radicalization” narrative, clinging to the irrelevance of a trans relationship (as if no only"left wing radicals"  can be found in such relationships) , ignores the simple likelihood of psychological crisis, not ideological subversion.

Mast’s Bill, Musk, and America’s Moral Compass

Rep. Brian Mast’s bill would allow Secretary Rubio to strip passports for vague “material support” accusations—a “thought policing” power that civil liberties groups warn is ripe for abuse. Musk’s social media smears and Forney’s Nazi analogy reinforce the danger—yet the only true hate speech in this episode is the call to imitative Hitlerian tactics, and it is ignored by both X and the media.


BANNING "ANTIFA:

In the days following Charlie Kirk’s assassination, President Trump announced his plan to officially designate “Antifa” a terrorist organization—despite the movement being, by all expert accounts, a loosely affiliated, diffuse set of activists and philosophies rather than a structured group with leaders, membership, or a national presence. Legal and counterterror experts note there is no mechanism for designating domestic groups like Antifa as terrorist organizations, and that such a move raises grave First Amendment concerns. “Antifa” has become a right-wing boogeyman—a term elastically applied to a wide spectrum of left-leaning protestors, especially since 2020, despite no credible evidence of coordinated, group-directed terrorism or murder. According to the Anti-Defamation League and Center for Strategic and International Studies, there are zero Antifa-related murders on record in the US for 2025 (or in the preceding years). The current moral panic has roots in post-2016 right-wing media, but escalated following George Floyd protests and now is weaponized as a pretext for broad, indiscriminate crackdowns. This label, far more useful as a catch-all justification for repression than as a descriptor of any real threat, is likely to be applied in an elastic and political manner.

 

America’s Reichstag Moment?

Forney’s post is the true danger—inciting systemic crackdown, tolerated by X and ignored by a press cowed by Trump’s attacks, lawsuits and threats,  as unexplained mass data scrubbing of accurate crime stats goes unchallenged for now.. This moment is not about leftist terror, but about whether America will recognize—and resist—the real authoritarian threat now openly at its gates.




  • Endnotes:[1] Evans, Richard J. The Coming of the Third Reich. New York: Penguin Press, 2003. This book provides a detailed historical analysis of the rise of the Nazi Party, including the Reichstag fire of February 27, 1933, and its exploitation by Adolf Hitler to suspend civil liberties through the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933. Evans argues that while Marinus van der Lubbe was likely the arsonist, the Nazi leadership’s response was a calculated move to consolidate power, a precedent echoed in the current discussion

    [2] Hamm, Mark S., and Ramon Spaaij. The Age of Lone Wolf Terrorism. New York: Columbia University Press, 2017. This study defines “stochastic terrorism” (the term Forney used in his X post) as the use of mass media to provoke random, ideologically motivated violence that is statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. The authors’ framework is applied to Matt Forney’s X post, which calls for a broad crackdown, potentially inciting such acts without direct commands.

    [3] ProPublica. “Turning Point USA’s Finances and Charlie Kirk’s Pay Raise Under Scrutiny.” ProPublica, 2020. This investigative report details how Charlie Kirk’s salary at Turning Point USA increased from $27,000 in 2016 to nearly $300,000, alongside revelations of misleading financial practices, providing context for his role and influence as a polarizing figure. 

    [4] Newsweek, DOJ Deletes Study Alleging Rise In Far-Right Terrorism In US, Sep 2025

    [5] Al Jazeera, Trump plans to designate antifa a terrorist organization, Sep 2025

    [6] NYT, Can Trump Actually Designate Antifa a Terrorist Group? Sep 2025

    [7] Slate, Better Know an RNC White Supremacist: Matt Forney, July 2016  

    [8] The Guardian, Far Right commentators echo Trump in calling for 'vengeance and retribution' for Charlie Kirk's death, Sept. 11, 2025

    Thursday, September 18, 2025

    MAGA crushes free speech

    ABC executives took Jimmy Kimmel off the air after MAGA threatened to yank its license. Kimmel didn't say anything wrong or out of the scope of free speech. Kimmel said on air:
    1. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

    2. In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this.

    3. After showing Trump discussing White House ballroom construction when asked about coping with Kirk's death: Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief: construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called a friend. This is how a 4-year-old mourns a goldfish.
    No threats, no fomenting of insurrection. Just comedy and opinions. 

    FCC Chairman Brendan Carr, extremist MAGA operative with lots of power, criticized Kimmel's comments and threatened that he could revoke broadcast licenses. He commented: We can do this the easy way or the hard way

    One can easily envision Carr saying, Go ahead punk, make my day. That's how MAGA thug politics works.

    This is how free speech rights die in under kleptocratic dictatorship in a corrupt capitalist economic system where money talks and democracy and freedoms walk.

    Wednesday, September 17, 2025

    MAGA bits: Hiding truth; Sequestering the liberals; Voting; The Epstein nothingburger

    In the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, MAGA elites have been blaming the left for all political violence in America. To help boost that slanderous lie to the status of MAGA truth, the DoJ quietly removed from its website a NIJ (part of the DoJ) study showing far-right extremists were responsible for most ideologically motivated deaths. See, now the liberals really are the ones who cause 100% of all politically-inspired murders!! MAGA wins again!!

    The study the DoJ tried to hide from us is archived at this link


    Part of the first page of the hidden report
    that us taxpayer paid for
    The NIJ is part of the DoJ

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    In the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, some MAGA elites have been saying what is on the minds of all of them. Namely, political opposition to djt and MAGA politics and policy are evil incarnate. The evil influence must be terminated one way or another. MAGA freak MTG has a fine quality MAGA solution: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) renewed her call for a “national divorce” to divide the country along partisan lines. She posits this brilliant insight in response to the Charlie Kirk murder, and federal funding disputes in Congress. “There is nothing left to talk about with the left. They hate us. To be honest, I want a peaceful national divorce. Our country is too far gone and too far divided, and it’s no longer safe for any of us. They assassinated our nice guy who actually talked to them peacefully debating ideas. Then millions on the left celebrated and made clear they want all of us dead”.

    Dang, the left really wants all of the right dead? That’s awful. But at least she wants a peaceful divorce, so it's OK.

    Hm, what might the MTG divorce look like in everyday reality? 

    Looks good to me! 👍

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    In a non-MAGA bit, USSC justice Sotomayor pointed out an unpleasant and obvious but obscure truth. Saving our democracy, rule of law and civil liberties is not longer up to our morally rotted and collapsed federal courts. The USSC has been MAGAfied and corrupted. Now, the last line of defense is the 2026 mid-term elections. 

    She commented: "I don't think whether I'm concerned matters. I think what matters is whether people are concerned. I am a Supreme Court Justice. I get to decide individual cases. I get to speak my mind about them. In the end, I don't change what exists. People change what they don't like or they support what they do like. The power of change is in people."

    The only way left for people to matter is to vote MAGA politicians out of power in 2026. By 2028, it will probably be too late to save our values and political system. At least that's how I read what Sotomayor is saying in the context of current political and social circumstances.

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    In a final MAGA bit, we find that the Epstein thing is a total nothingburger! The valiant MAGA crackpot and extreme weirdo Kash Patel, head of the MAGAfied FBI, testified yesterday under oath to senators, e.g., the drooling MAGA thug from Louisiana, John Kennedy, that Epstein sex trafficked young women only to himself. Therefore, there will be no FBI indictments, no DoJ prosecutions, no court convictions, no pervy pedophiles going to the slammer and no revealing of names of prominent people redacted from Epstein evidence documents.

    Kash Patel

    Patel claims there is "no credible information" that Epstein trafficked underage girls to pedophiles. But, there is lots of solid evidence that contradicts that. It includes (1) sworn survivor testimony from trafficked women in multiple court proceedings, (2) sworn law enforcement testimony from the original investigation, (3) documented financial payments to co-conspirators, (4) the government's own charging documents referencing a trafficking network, (5) Florida Circuit Judge Luis Delgado writing that "the details in the record will be outrageous to decent people", describing "activity ranging from grossly unacceptable to rape", and (6) the 2021 conviction of Epstein's close sex associate Ghislaine Maxwell of felonies including sex trafficking of minors, conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, and conspiracy to transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, all of which charges were directly linked to her coordination and facilitation of Jeffrey Epstein’s sex exploitation and trafficking network with underage girls.


    Oops, bad evidence, bad, bad evidence