Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Monday, July 7, 2025

Talking respectfully to the angry working class

A summary
By now it is clear that "elite discourse" is a failure in trying to connect with angry, resentful working class voters who have abandoned the Democratic Party. Recitations of facts and application of sound reasoning come across as insincere, callous, condescending and/or insulting. So, heavy reliance on facts and reasoning are out. Pointing out elite MAGA lies, slanders and crackpottery does not work. Also ineffective are warnings about (1) the rise of authoritarianism, dictatorship or theocracy, (2) the failure of democracy and the rule of law or loss of civil liberties, or (3) racism and bigotry. Rhetoric that explains reality fails to connect -- people need to hear stories, not lectures.

What works? Populist (or semi-populist) appeals to emotion and working class dignity are far more effective for most working class people. Anti-elitist rhetoric works. When done properly, anti-oligarch and anti-kleptocracy messaging can work. Narratives of support for masculinity and marriage works. Story telling in common or plain-spoken language is necessary. Expressions of deep concern for economic and social stability works very well. Sincerity, empathy, consistency and spontaneity are important to signal. Effective messaging often includes expressing some degree of urgency, e.g., economic problems, as urgent crises requiring immediate action against elite interests.

There is a major difference between elites on the left and right. Elites on the left dislike and try to limit anti-elitist rhetoric in the Democratic Party. By contrast, elites on the right encourage and weaponize anti-elitist rhetoric in the GOP because they know that is one of the best ways to connect with and gain political support from the disaffected working class. Right wing elitists deflect blame from themselves by framing themselves as authentic, unfiltered representatives of the people. That effectively co-opts and capitalizes on anti-elitist rhetoric, despite them being elites themselves. They employ performative authenticity, use populist language, and emotional appeals to create a perceived but false moral superiority and basis for trust. That turns anti-elitist sentiments into a tool to consolidate power and disarm genuine critique of systemic inequalities.

In other words, authoritarian Republican donors and right-wing elites have a sophisticated understanding that they need to tolerate anti-elitist rhetoric as a necessary element in their political wealth and power strategy.


Commentary
That summarizes my understanding of an interview with Joan Williams (law professor at UCSF) based on decades of her sociology research. C-SPAN broadcast the interview yesterday or the day before. I can't find it online yet. What Williams is arguing is grounded in solid evidence from modern social science. There is also a lot of logic in much of what the working class responds to in the context of their everyday lives. For example elite interests have shafted the working class, hence the appeal of anti-elite narratives. Williams argues that both major political parties have screwed the angry, disaffected working class. She asserts that they a very good reason to be angry at both parties.

If Williams is at least mostly right, most of what I post here (~95% ?) is ineffective or counterproductive with working class people who can potentially be reached. Some of them cannot be reached by pro-democracy politics, roughly "liberal" politics. According to Williams people who cannot be reached include racists and authoritarian ideologues.

MAGA bits: After Trump dies; Merrick Garland; MSM moral rot deepens; Doctor shortage

What happens to MAGA authoritarianism and kleptocracy after the cult leader dies? Current polling puts JD Vance as the leader for MAGA succession. He would run a techno-authoritarian kleptocracy with ruthless plutocrats like Peter Thiel. One poll shows Vance leading potential 2028 Republican candidates with 36-46% support. Also possible is the rise of a Trump family dynasty with Don Jr. or Eric as successor. Both of them say they are interested in the dictator-kleptocrat job. Some reporting suggests that djt has positioned Marco Rubio as a potential successor. Given his Christian nationalist foreign policy priorities, Rubio could represent Christian Zionist authoritarianism

Also in the running is some form of a Christian nationalist theocracy, with about one-third of Americans supporting Christian nationalism, whether they know it or not. Most rank and file Republicans support Christian nationalism, whether they know it or not. Finally, we have the billionaire plutocrats. Their campaign contributions ("free speech") have increased about 160-fold increase since the Citizens United USSC in 2010. Conditions for oligarchic capture of democratic institutions now exist.

One pretty sure bet is that Democrats are not going to displace MAGA authoritarianism any time soon. That party is broken.
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In retrospect, one can argue that Merrick Garland's refusal to properly prosecute djt exemplifies institutional Democrats' failed response to obvious authoritarian threat. His delayed appointment of Jack Smith until November 2022 and failure to aggressively prosecute Trump earlier was openly complicit with authoritarianism. Some legal scholars argue that Garland's delay was one of the most devastating legal betrayals of democracy in history. He intentionally protected djt, betraying us and our democracy.
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Those poor Palestinians. They just cannot get a break. They are forever screwed. 

Multiple sources are reporting that institutional capture based on powerful pro-Israel lobbying and "conservative" politics in the UK has turned the venerable BBC into a propaganda outlet that supports whatever horrors Israel engages in. Al Jazeera reports

The BBC has been accused by more than 100 of its staff of giving Israel favourable coverage in its reporting of the war on Gaza and criticised for its lack of “accurate evidence-based journalism”.

A letter sent to the broadcaster’s director general, Tim Davie, and CEO Deborah Turness on Friday said: “Basic journalistic tenets have been lacking when it comes to holding Israel to account for its actions.”

The BBC's governance structure allows for significant political interference, with Conservative governments appointing partisan figures to key positions. That amounts to institutional capture. That has compromised editorial independence. The kerfuffle was set off by a letter dated July 2, addressed to the BBC's Director-General Tim Davie, accusing the BBC of acting as “PR for the Israeli government,” and suppressing critical reporting, including the decision not to publicly broadcast the BBC-commissioned documentary  “Gaza: Medics Under Fire.” 

That documentary is a forensic investigation of Israeli military attacks on Gaza's healthcare system and healthcare workers. It presents testimonies from Palestinian doctors and evidence of systematic targeting of medical facilities and personnel during the Gaza conflict. The documentary starts with footage from the phone of a Palestinian medic killed under heavy Israeli gunfire, commenting that Israel has been killing the people trying to keep Gaza's healthcare system functional. The documentary (1) acknowledges that Israel claims that Hamas uses hospitals as part of its military strategy, and (2) shows extensive evidence of Israeli military war crimes, e.g., torture of Palestinian prisoners and intentional targeting of civilians. No wonder the UK's pro-Israel lobby pressured the BBC to not broadcast the documentary. 
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djt's horrible tax and spend bill is projected to lead to a massive shortage of doctors, ~187,000, by 2037. That is the projected result of the new law's cap on federal loans for medical and other professional school students.  



 




  • Musk forms 'America Party' opposing Trump's tax bill
  • Musk's feud with Trump may impact Republican 2026 election chances
  • Tesla shares affected by Musk-Trump fallout, despite Musk's wealth
  • Musk criticizes Trump's tax bill as harmful to U.S. economy
  • Musk plans to unseat lawmakers supporting Trump's tax bill
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-says-america-party-is-formed-us-2025-07-05/ 

Speculate:
Will this party fly? Will Trump lose his mind? Will Americans vote for this new party? Or is this just gamesmanship by Elon?
My take: BRING IT ON!! 2028, here we come. 

Sunday, July 6, 2025

Infowars: Honest speech vs. dishonest speech

What does Pxy have to say (several small edits (not shown) made to reduce Pxy's pessimism bias):
Q: How can pro-democracy forces relying on honest speech, facts, truths and sound reasoning hope to win major public opinion that is firmly grounded in decades of intentionally divisive authoritarian demagoguery, lies, slanders, deceit, irrational emotional manipulation and clearly flawed reasoning? The demagogues are not constrained by inconvenient facts, truths and sound reasoning, unlike the democrats who are much more constrained. You assert that democracy requires citizens capable of making informed decisions about governance and holding leaders accountable, but demagoguery, lies, slanders, crackpottery and the like are almost 100% legal, normalized and accepted by about half the country. There are no effective strategies under current political, social and legal norms.

A: The assertion that democratic forces constrained by honesty, facts, and reasoning cannot effectively compete against unconstrained authoritarian demagoguery highlights one of the most profound challenges facing democracy today. The research evidence reveals both the inherent limitations of fact-based approaches and the structural advantages that demagogues possess in the current information environment.

The Fundamental Asymmetry Problem
Truth vs. Lies: An Unequal Contest
The evidence confirms that democratic communication operates under constraints that authoritarians routinely ignore 1 2. This creates what researchers call an "asymmetric conflict":

Emotional manipulation works faster and more effectively than rational persuasion 3 4

Lies can be manufactured faster than they can be fact-checked 5 6

Demagogues can exploit any emotion or grievance without concern for consistency or accuracy

Research on authoritarian propaganda shows that "hard propaganda" is designed not to persuade but to demonstrate power 8. The very absurdity of the messaging signals regime strength and intimidates opposition—a dynamic that fact-checking cannot counter 9.


Why Authoritarian Messaging Dominates
Emotional Manipulation as Superior Strategy

The research reveals why emotional manipulation consistently outperforms rational discourse 3 21:

Emotional content generates more engagement than analytical content 21

Anger, pride, and enthusiasm drive massive participation while fear-based messaging (often used by democrats) reduces engagement 21

Narrative approaches [story-telling] consistently outperform didactic fact-based messaging

The "Firehose of Falsehoods" Advantage
Authoritarian regimes employ what researchers call "firehose propaganda"—overwhelming the information space with contradictory, absurd, and emotionally manipulative content 8. This serves multiple functions: Creates confusion and apathy, demonstrates regime power through information dominance, exhausts fact-checkers and democratic institutions, and normalizes lying as standard political practice.


Why Current Approaches Cannot Succeed
The Scale Mismatch
Democratic counter-disinformation efforts operate on entirely different scales than the problem: Professional fact-checkers number in the hundreds while disinformation producers number in the millions 5, quality journalism requires time and resources while lies can be manufactured instantly and cheaply 5 30, and democratic institutions move slowly while social media operates at machine speed.

The Audience Problem
Research shows that pro-democracy messaging primarily reaches people already committed to democracy 31 32. Authoritarian supporters exist in separate information ecosystems where: Counter-narratives never penetrate their information bubbles 33 27, source credibility is determined by ideological alignment rather than factual accuracy 34, and democratic messaging is pre-labeled as fake news or deep state propaganda.

Looks like dishonest speech beats honest speech. Guess the good guys don't always win.