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Etiquette
DP Etiquette
First rule: Don't be a jackass. Most people are good.
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It seems we are in store for a kinder, gentler Trump.News reports are saying “he” has “rewritten”
his speech with the motive of “bringing the country together.”
What he’s saying: “This is a chance to bring the whole
country, even the whole world, together,” Trump told the Examiner.
The speech will be a lot different, a lot different than it would’ve
been two days ago,” he said.
“It is a chance to bring the country together. I was given
that chance.”
1. Do you believe it, that his goal is to "bring the country together?"
2. Is he just having a momentary bout of a “significant negative emotional experience,” something I always cite as a game-changer, with this weekend's assassination attempt on his life?And
in reality, this [kinder, gentler feeling] too shall pass?
3. What do you make of this new and improved DJT?Are you buying it?Should we “Give peace a chance?”
A NYT article discusses support for political violence in the US:
A nationwide poll last month found that 10 percent of those surveyed said the “use of force is justified to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president.”
Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago who has studied American attitudes toward political violence since the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob, conducted a nationwide poll on the topic last month. It found that 10 percent of those surveyed said that the “use of force is justified to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president.” A third of those who gave that answer also said they owned a gun.
Seven percent of those surveyed said they “support force to restore Trump to the presidency.” Half of them said they owned guns.
The shooting at Mr. Trump’s rally “is a consequence of such significant support for political violence in our country,” Mr. Pape wrote in an email. “Indeed, significant lone wolf attacks motivated by political violence have been growing for years in the United States, against members of Congress from both parties as well as federal officials and national leaders.”
Other studies on political violence have also found small but not insignificant numbers of Americans who support the idea of using violence to advance political ideas.
In October, the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, published a report that found nearly 14 percent of those surveyed strongly agreed that there would be a civil war in the United States in the next few years.
Nearly 8 percent of respondents to the study said they believed there would be a situation in the next few years where political violence would be justified and were intending to arm themselves.
One can wonder if the assassination attempt yesterday is going to influence some people into adopting a more pro-violence mindset. That seems to be more likely than not.
One can also wonder if people who anticipate a coming civil war wind up being a factor in that actually happening. At this point, civil war still seems quite unlikely to me, maybe ~3% chance within the next 2 years and ~1% in the following 2 years. But, one recent poll indicated that 41% of likely U.S. voters believed the United States is likely to experience a second civil war sometime in the next five years, including 16% who considered that very likely.
At the least, a lot of people are thinking about major political violence.
A number of prominent MAGA Republicans blamed Biden for the shooting at yesterday's Trump rally in Pa. The accusatory statements started being issued even before there was any reporting on the shooter, or his possible motives. Among well known Trump allies who quickly stated that Biden bears responsibility for the shootings are Lauren Boebert, Rep. Mike Collins, Senator Tim Scott, top Trump campaign advisor, Chris LaCivita, VP hopeful, JD Vance, and others.
At the same time, many who witnessed the event at the rally spontaneously spewed similar accusations to members of the media including photographers and journalists who were covering the rally. WaPo writes:
As people passed the press risers elevating the cameras, some took out their anger on the media.
“You’re not safe. It’s your fault.”
“You wanted political violence, now you got it. Hope you’re all f---ing happy.”
“The shot heard ’round the world.”
“The liberal media is responsible!”
“Every f---ing one of y’all!”
Trump was apparently hit by a bullet that grazed his ear, and was quickly rushed to the ground and surrounded by security. As they stood him up to rush him out, Trump, according to WaPo and other accounts, said, "Wait," and defiantly raised up his fist, with blood dripping on his face, turned to the crowd and said, "Fight. Fight." Loud chants came back at him from the crowd, "USA, USA!," as Trump was protectively shuffled offstage by security personnel. The photographs of Trump's defiant pose raising his arm with clenched fist and bloody face are likely to become iconic, according to presidential historian, Douglas Brinkely. He said,
There’s something in the American spirit that likes seeing fortitude
and courage under pressure and the fact that Trump held his fist up high
will become a new symbol... By surviving an attempted
assassination, you become a martyr, because you get a groundswell of
public sympathy.
Lauren Boebert took to a local Denver news program, directly blaming Biden. Citing language he used earlier in the week stating that it was "time to move on from the debate discussion and put Donald Trump into a bulls-eye," she said he was directly responsible.
Rep. Mike Collins went even further, writing on X, "Joe Biden sent the orders."
Top Trump advisor, Chris LaCivita, also took to X, writing, " “[W]ell of course they tried to keep him off the ballot, they tried to put him in jail and now you see this …”
JD Vance and Morgan Taylor Greene -- who will be featured speakers at this week's RNC in Milwauki, both chimed in as reported here:
“Today is not just some isolated incident,” Vance wrote on X.
“The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald
Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That
rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.”
“Democrats wanted this to happen,” Greene posted on X. “They’ve wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen.”
She
continued, calling out members of Congress who she wrote “cosponsored
legislation to TERMINATE Trump’s Secret Service protection. Why would
they want that? You know the reason.”
Written before it was
confirmed that an audience member was killed, she continued, “Others may
have been killed — innocent people that were there supporting President
Trump and all they wanted was to Make America Great Again and they may
have been murdered for it. Thank GOD Secret Service was there for Trump
and everyone else at today’s rally.”
These are just a few of the better known Republicans who immediately accused Biden before the name of the shooter was even known to the public, much less his motives. Several Republicans said that Democrats want a "Civil War." While many said they will get their revenge "at the ballot " in November, there can be little doubt that this medley of incendiary accusations of Biden and Democrats more generally (with some accusations being as vague as blaming "left wing rhetoric") will do much to fire up the already gun-obsessed extremists among the MAGA crowd who take their cues from the Boeberts and JD Vances of the world. This is a very dangerous and volatile situation. It is not clear just how it can be safely and peacefully navigated in this explosive election cycle. Much will also depend on how Trump frames the events going forward.
One thing I'm sure we'll see a lot more of during the campaign is photos and video footage of Trump's "iconic" and defiant pose and exhortations to "Fight, Fight" We are now closer, in my judgment, to civil war than at any time since the 1860s.
Once again, a male dipstick with a gun comes on the scene, pulls the trigger and we all get to helplessly stand by and watch to see if it unleashes Armageddon or amounts to just a tempest in a teapot.
Yes, we all condemn the assassination attempt on DJT. It was horrible, vicious, evil, stupid and arrogant beyond words. One jackass with a gun was going to impose his desires on all of us according to his deranged intentions.
Is this going to be a non-trivial factor in the outcome of the 2024 election? Probably. My guess is ~60% chance it will noticeably help DJT at election time. Will DJT play the victimized martyr card? My guess is ~95% chance he will play it good and hard from now until Nov. 5.
But this is not going to stop me from criticizing DJT for being what he is, a treasonous, chronically lying, kleptocratic dictator and convicted felon.
What a fracking mess. One self-righteous jackass with a gun can cause so much damage. The rest of us in opposition who play by the rules can only go pound sand in frustration.
Some reactions
A couple of Peanut Gallery comments:
Peanut 1: Trump's own words on Jan 6 to Kevin McCarthy when he was asking for help, begging the president to tell the mob clad in Trump gear to end the violence. Trump blithely responded: “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.” I guess someone got even more upset than that.
Peanut 2: Well, at least Biden's age and his problems will be off the front page for a few days.
Peanut 3: Well Project 2025, there goes your bloodless revolution!
Peanut 4: thoughts and prayers
Peanut 5: The violence he preaches has spread to someone with violent tendencies, and there you have it.
Peanut 6: Trump just won reelection.
Peanut 7: Yeah, and the last best hope of Man on Earth just died. America was the hope of the world. It will not be under dictatorship.
Peanut 8: This was Biden's fault!
Peanut 9: According to the Supreme Court the shooting would be OK as long as the president ordered it.
Qs:
1. Is that assessment of DJT too harsh or unreasonably cruel and/or callous?
2. Will at least some Christian nationalist theocrats see this as a sign by God that God wants to protect DJT and his Christian Sharia plan for America?
