Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass. Most people are good.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Monday, January 6, 2025

Bottom lines...

 

What are we other than a walking, talking, self-contained sensory perception machine?

Make your case(s) for* humanity.

(by PrimalSoup)

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*Note- Not intended as a negative OP. But treat is as you wish.

Regarding the insurrection

There is a lot of criticism from non-MAGA people of the idea that DJT is an insurrectionist and barred from office by the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment. It goes without saying that DJT and MAGA fly into an apoplectic rage at the mere mention of the idea, so I won't say it. 

(after calling it a "heinous attack")

In view of the criticism of the idea by non-MAGA, some points are worth consideration.

The legal argument for barring DJT from office from the rule of law point of view is fairly simple: 
1. The 14th Amendment bars people like DJT who took an oath of office to defend the Constitution from holding office later if they participated in or supported an insurrection.
2. DJT participated in and supported an insurrection.
3. DJT had taken an oath of office.
4. DJT cannot be sworn into office because he is barred unless congress votes by 2/3 majority to remove the bar.
5. Congress will not vote to remove the bar because Democrats won't vote to do that and Republicans do not have a 2/3 majority in the House or Senate.
6. Therefore DJT cannot be sworn into office, period.
The criticisms I am aware of from non-MAGA people boil down to arguments like this:
1. Even talking about the 14th Amendment bar makes DJT a martyr, making him more powerful among the MAGA rank and file. 
2. Even talking about the 14th Amendment bar makes DJT worse than he already is and not open to appeasement or compromise.
3. Disqualifying DJT from office is anti-democratic because it overrides the will of the voters.  
4. Let DJT and MAGA get power and hang themselves.
None of those arguments address the rule of law point of view. All four arguments directly negate and disrespect the rule of law. Among many rank and file MAGA, DJT already is a martyr and powerful. The public record indicates that DJT is a true authoritarian. When circumstances permit, he is unwilling to compromise or be appeased. However, he is willing to be bribed. 

Regarding 3, the only thing the 14th Amendment says about the voter's will is that only a 2/3 vote by congress can remove the bar. Voters therefore need express their will by telling their representatives and senators to vote to remove the bar. Finally, if DJT and MAGA get the authoritarian power they clearly want, they might succeed in hanging us and our democracy before they hang themselves. Whether a person wants to take that risk is a personal choice, but that choice does not change the fact that their choice negates and disrespects the rule of law.

DJT and MAGA argue it was not an insurrection but instead something else, e.g., a riot, or according to DJT, "a day of love." The Colorado Supreme Court held that 1/6 was an insurrection in the scope of the 14th Amendment and DJT participated in it, thereby disqualifying DJT from holding office or being on the Colorado ballot. In reversing the Colorado Supreme Court decision, the USSC (US supreme court) could have, but refused, to state that (i) 1/6 was not an insurrection under the 14th A, and/or (ii) DJT was not involved in the scope of the 14th A. Thus, one high level state court has held that DJT was disqualified. That holding cannot be ignored as mere blither from unqualified partisans.

Therefore, it remains an open question, support or oppose the argument that DJT is barred by the 14th A? If a person chooses to oppose invoking the 14th A, they are directly opposing and disrespecting the rule of law based on personal judgment. If a person chooses to support the invocation, they are forcing the rule of law to be vindicated because that will force the USSC to decide this issue, which it chose to ignore when it had the chance.

I am a huge fan of the rule of law and democracy. Along with genuine respect for civil liberties, the rule of law is one of the two top hallmarks of government that distinguishes a rule of law-based democracy from a rule of the tyrant/kleptocrat-based authoritarian regime. 

I solidly support congress acting to disqualify DJT as eligible for office. That would force the issue to the USSC to decide. Presumably it would decide in DJT's favor. Then we would have to live with the consequences of that holding. But for better or worse, that is how a real rule of law should work. For authoritarians in power, it works in other ways.
 

Global warming: Individual behavior vs government involvement

What can individual people and their families do to try to reduce global warming? The most common things that are cited include reducing meat consumption, putting up solar panels, recycling, and using mass transit, bicycles and/or electric or hybrid vehicles. So far, me and my family are engaged in that. Consumption of beef is a lot lower, chicken higher and for our vegetarian, meat consumption is zero. There's recycling bins we use regularly, solar panels on the roof, and an EV and a hybrid in the garage. The solar, EV and hybrid are all social virtue signals aligned with wanting to reduce global warming and taking it seriously. That is knowing and intentional.

But to me, far more important than what I can do is serious government action. Citizen virtue signaling is offset by America's vast, powerful and wealthy profit from pollution commercial sector. In view of our corrupted pay-to-play federal government coupled with climate science denial ideology, government doesn't get serious things done. How true is that?

Q: My understanding is that what individuals do to reduce global warming is generally irrelevant, but what governments do can be relevant. Is that understanding mostly correct or not?

A: Your understanding that individual actions to reduce global warming are generally irrelevant while government actions are more significant is partially correct but requires some nuance:

Individuals
If a large number of individuals reduce their carbon footprint through lifestyle changes like reducing meat consumption, using public transport, or adopting renewable energy, this can lead to a noticeable reduction in emissions.

Individual actions can create a ripple effect, influencing others and leading to broader societal changes. This can build momentum for systemic change, as people's choices can influence market demand and encourage businesses to adopt more sustainable practices.

Governments
Governments have the power to implement policies that can significantly reduce emissions. This includes setting emissions targets, regulating polluters, investing in renewable energy, and promoting sustainable practices.

Governments can drive systemic changes through legislation, incentives, and infrastructure development. Policies like carbon pricing, emissions trading, and subsidies for green technologies can shift entire industries towards sustainability.

Governments can hold major emitters accountable, which is crucial since a significant portion of emissions comes from a small number of large corporations.

Conclusion
While individual actions are not irrelevant, their impact is indeed limited compared to the potential of government policies and systemic changes.


Sunday, January 5, 2025

Social resistance to DJT; Regarding the intention eonomy

Yesterday, the daily dot reported about the last gasp effort to stop DJT from being sworn into office:

14th Now: Thousands expected to convene in nation’s capital 
to demand Congress bar Trump from office
This is our last chance to make our mark in this moment in history.

Donald Trump is set to become the 47th president on Jan. 20. In a last-ditch effort to keep him out of office, thousands are expected to show up in Washington D.C. and elsewhere this weekend to pressure lawmakers to refuse to certify his win.

If they’re successful, Vice President Kamala Harris (D) would become president.

They are among those who argue that the 14th Amendment bars Trump from becoming president. That amendment prohibits current and former officials who have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding office. They claim that Trump’s involvement in the Capitol riot means just that.

The protest, which began today in Washington, D.C. and continues through the weekend, is called 14th Now. They’re using the hashtag #14thNow to promote it online.
The activists are encouraging those not attending in person to reach out to their members of Congress and ask them to object to certification of Trump’s electoral votes.
I wrote to my congressperson and both Senators, (i) asking them to refuse to refuse to certify DJT's win, (ii) informing them this is of the highest importance to me, and (iii) asking for their response to my request. We'll see if I even get a response. I doubt it.

FWIW, here's my email to my Senators:

Dear Senator Schiff (or Padilla),

Please oppose the certification of Trump as President on the basis of his deep involvement in his 1/6 insurrection against the US. He is unequivocally barred from serving in office under the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment. Your oath of office and respect for the rule of law in a democracy demand no less. This matter is of the highest importance to me. Thank you.
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There is a new front in the war on human minds by unscrupulous marketers, ideologues, plutocrats, theocrats, politicians and other morally debased opportunists! On Dec. 30, 2024, the HSDR (Harvard Data Science Review) posted an article about this nascent new war. Viewed from my cognitive biology and social behavior point of view, this constitutes an entirely new political, religious and economic gold rush. The HSDR calls it the intention economy. The HSDR sees this new mind war about the same way I see it, scary or worse. 

Long story short: Artificial intelligence gives the opportunists a way to discover and manipulate your intentions and motives to do or not do something, e.g., to buy or not buy a product or to vote for or against a political candidate. This new mind war is truly scary:
ABSTRACT
The rapid proliferation of large language models (LLMs) invites the possibility of a new marketplace for behavioral and psychological data that signals intent. This brief article [it's not brief, it's well over 4,500 words] introduces some initial features of that emerging marketplace. We survey recent efforts by tech executives to position the capture, manipulation, and commodification of human intentionality as a lucrative parallel to—and viable extension of—the now-dominant attention economy, which has bent consumer, civic, and media norms around users’ finite attention spans since the 1990s. We call this follow-on the intention economy. We characterize it in two ways. First, as a competition, initially, between established tech players armed with the infrastructural and data capacities needed to vie for first-mover advantage on a new frontier of persuasive technologies. Second, as a commodification of hitherto unreachable levels of explicit and implicit data that signal intent, namely those signals borne of combining (a) hyper-personalized manipulation via LLM-based sycophancy, ingratiation, and emotional infiltration and (b) increasingly detailed categorization of online activity elicited through natural language.

This new dimension of automated persuasion draws on the unique capabilities of LLMs and generative AI more broadly, which intervene not only on what users want, but also, to cite Williams, “what they want to want” (Williams, 2018, p. 122). We demonstrate through a close reading of recent technical and critical literature (including unpublished papers from ArXiv) that such tools are already being explored to elicit, infer, collect, record, understand, forecast, and ultimately manipulate, modulate, and commodify human plans and purposes, both mundane (e.g., selecting a hotel) and profound (e.g., selecting a political candidate).

CONCLUSION
The possibility for harm made feasible by a large-scale, multiparty intention economy merits sustained scholarly, civic, and regulatory scrutiny. In whatever way these data partnerships turn out in practice, the ambition of making conversational interfaces and generative AI systems unavoidable mediators of human–computer interaction signals a turn from the attention economy, whereby access to the limited resource of human attention is traded through advertising exchanges, to the intention economy, whereby commercial and political actors bid on signals that forecast human intent. This transition would empower diverse actors to intervene in new ways on shaping human actions. This ambition must be considered in light of the likely impact such a marketplace would have on other human aspirations, including free and fair elections, a free press, fair market competition, and other aspects of democratic life.
All of that is going on right now. As far as I can tell, the mainstream media has not picked up on this yet. It constitutes a vast new playing field for bad people and interests to (i) manipulate minds and beliefs, (ii) create false realities, and scarier yet, (iii) implant desires and motivations in a person's mind.  
Q: How well known is the concept of the intention economy, as exemplified in this article: https://hdsr.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/ujvharkk/release/1 ?

A: The concept of the intention economy is gaining traction in academic and tech circles but remains relatively niche in broader public discourse.

Attention vs. Intention: There's a distinction between the attention economy, which focuses on capturing user engagement, and the intention economy, which aims to predict and influence user decisions. Some discussions mistakenly conflate the two, but the intention economy goes beyond mere attention to actively shape consumer behavior.

Ethical Concerns: The intention economy raises significant ethical questions about privacy, autonomy, and manipulation. Researchers warn that without proper regulation, this economy could undermine fundamental societal values, including free and fair elections, a free press, and fair market competition.
Marketplace for Intentions: The intention economy envisions a marketplace where AI systems not only capture attention but also anticipate and influence user intentions. This could lead to a scenario where our decisions are influenced before we consciously make them, creating a new commercial frontier.
Hm, Perplexity sees it about the same way that HSDR and I see it. All the experts are agree!* Well brain war fans, there we have it. A whole new front against us has opened up and we are clueless.

* Just kidding.

Of course, this could also be used for good. But think about our current political, social, commercial, financial and religious situation. Where does the balance of power lie, with super wealthy, self-serving special interests and ideologies or public interest-serving ones? 

Q1: What array of forces and finances is most likely to more aggressively and more deeply apply this new kind of mental manipulation, (1) morally bankrupt for profit commercial interests and various kinds of authoritarians seeking power and wealth, or (2) nice people wanting to do good things for people and society?

Q2: Which political party is most likely going to oppose regulating the intention economy for wealth and power purposes, the Repubs, the Dems, or both about equally?

Q3: Can you see the potential for a further shift in the balance of power from the seriously weakened public interest to the already more powerful special interests?