Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Tuesday, November 21, 2023

Reasoning about the morality of lying and deceit in democracy



The issue of lying and its moral implications keep coming up. I need a new post to put it in one spot for future reference. These are from Sissela Bok’s 1999 book, Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life.

The social incentives to deceit are at present very powerful; the controls often weak. Many individuals feel caught up in practices they cannot change. It would be wishful thinking, therefore, to expect individuals to bring about major changes in the collective practices of deceit by themselves. Public and private institutions, with their enormous power to affect personal choice, must help alter the existing pressures and incentives. ..... Trust and integrity are precious resources, easily squandered, hard to regain. They can thrive only on a foundation of respect for veracity.

“When political representatives or entire governments arrogate to themselves the right to lie, they take power from the public that would not have been given up voluntarily. .... But such cases [that justify lying] are so rare that they hardly exist for practical purposes. .... The consequences of spreading deception, alienation and lack of trust could not have been documented for us more concretely than they have in the past decades. We have had a very vivid illustration of how lies undermine our political system. .... Those in government and other positions of trust should be held to the highest standards. Their lies are not ennobled by their positions; quite the contrary. .... only those deceptive practices which can be openly debated and consented to in advance are justifiable in a democracy.”

“[Johnson repeatedly told the American people] ‘the first responsibility, the only real issue in this campaign, the only thing you ought to be concerned about at all, is: Who can best keep the peace?’ The stratagem succeeded; the election was won; the war escalated. .... President Johnson thus denied the electorate of any chance to give or refuse consent to the escalation of the war in Vietnam. Believing they had voted for the candidate of peace, American citizens were, within months, deeply embroiled in one of the cruelest wars in their history. Deception of this kind strikes at the very essence of democratic government.”


Boks Principle of Veracity
Bok arrives at a way to summarize the analysis. Her Principle of Veracity states that there is a strong initial presumption that lying is immoral. Lying is wrong but not when it is at least honestly excused and preferably justified. In asserting this moral principle, Bok rejects pure absolutism, which holds that all lies in all circumstances are immoral and thus immoral and unacceptable.

She also rejects utilitarianism, which considers only the consequences of the lie regardless of extenuating circumstances. For utilitarians, a lie that confers more perceived benefit than harm is acceptable. Lies that harm no one are acceptable. The problem is that some harms and benefits cannot be accurately assessed. For example, lies that lead to social distrust and reduced social cohesion. Also, lies can harm the liar as noted above. Bok argues “the more complex the acts, the more difficult it becomes to produce convincing comparisons of their consequences.” She points out that when multiple people are involved, assessing benefit and harm are “well-nigh impossible.”





Other free speech and truth related thoughts
“.... we should stop thinking that the ‘marketplace of ideas’ can effectively sort fact from fiction. .... Unfortunately, this marketplace is a fiction, and a dangerous one. We do not want to limit free speech, but we do want to strongly advocate that those in positions of power or influence see their speech for what it is -- an exercise of power capable of doing real harm. It is irresponsible to advocate for unsupported views, and doing so needs to be thought of as a moral wrong, not just a harmless addition to some kind of ideal ‘marketplace.’ .... When we open channels for social communication, we immediately face a trade-off. .... Most of us get our false beliefs from the same places we get our true ones, and if we want the good stuff, we risk getting the bad as well.” -- From the 2019 book, The Misinformation Age: How False Beliefs Spread, Cailin O’Connor and James Weatherall, professors of logic and philosophy of science at the University of California Irvine.

“Truthfulness has never been counted among the political virtues, and lies have always been regarded as justifiable tools in political dealings. Whoever reflects on these matters can only be surprised by how little attention has been paid, in our tradition of philosophical and political thought, to their significance, on the one hand for the nature of action and, on the other, for the nature of our ability to deny in thought and word whatever happens to be the case. This active, aggressive capability is clearly different from our passive susceptibility to falling prey to error, illusion, the distortions of memory, and to whatever else can be blamed on the failings of our sensual and mental apparatus.” -- Hannah Arendt, Lying in Politics essay, 1971


Insurrection decision: A short legal analysis

A court in Colorado recently held that (1) DJT engaged in an insurrection via his role in fomenting the 1/6 coup attempt, but (2) the 14th Amendment insurrection clause does not apply to a president, so therefore, (3) DJT can stay on the ballot in Colorado for the 2024 election. On first blush, that was a huge disappointment. However two legal experts argued that this decision is bad for DJT because of the first holding that DJT engaged in an insurrection. 

They said that, (a) no matter how the judge decided, this lawsuit would be appealed to the USSC, and (b) holding #1 is devastating for DJT because it is very hard for an appeals court to overturn the evidence findings of a trial judge.

Trial courts is the place where facts are found and their legal implications analyzed.

Appeals courts are the place where challenges to legal decisions are raised, with minimal questioning of the trial court's fact findings. What the facts mean for legal outcomes is what the appeals courts focus on. That means that unless a panel of Trump judges hear the appeal, they are unlikely to dispute the facts the trial court used to make its decision.  

If this case reaches the USSC with the insurrection holding intact, it weakens DJT's argument that he should not be tossed off the ballot in all 50 states. In essence, the experts argued that the trial court decision forced DJT to appeal the holding that he engaged in an insurrection. Reporting by The Hill seems to confirm that DJT is being forced to appeal:
Trump, plaintiffs appeal Colorado 14th Amendment ruling

Former President Trump and the group of plaintiffs battling over whether the former president should be disqualified from the Colorado ballot under the 14th Amendment both appealed the case to the state’s top court Monday.

A Colorado judge ruled Friday that Trump had engaged in insurrection by inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, but the judge tossed the lawsuit by finding the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to the presidency.

Trump in his appeal to the Colorado Supreme Court said he agreed with the latter part of the ruling keeping him on the state’s ballot but is appealing on other issues.  
Left-leaning group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), which filed the lawsuit on behalf of four Republicans and two independent Colorado voters, asked Colorado’s top court to rule that the amendment does indeed apply to the presidency.  
Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace said that language means the amendment can’t be used to prevent Trump from appearing on the ballot, regardless of whether the then-president’s actions on Jan. 6 cleared the threshold.

Wallace ruled the presidency was not an “office … under the United States,” because the amendment explicitly lists all federal elected positions, except for the presidency and vice presidency. Wallace further ruled Trump was not an “officer of the United States” in the first place, referencing other constitutional provisions that distinguish the presidency from federal officers.
At this point, it appears to be almost certain that the insurrection case will be decided by the USSC. The case just has to pass through the Colorado state supreme court first. Trump does not want that holding of insurrection to be a stain on his public record.

News bits: New coup attempt video; A DJT warning (again, sigh); Best people flock to MAGA!!

ARR (authoritarian radical right) House Republicans released 90 hours of video recording from DJT's treasonous 1/6 coup attempt. The authoritarian radical right immediately seized on the released videos as proof that the riot was (i) peaceful, (ii) people were brutally persecuted for no reason, and (iii) the violence was fomented by government agents. Note that (i) and (iii) contradict each other, but trivialities and irrationality like that are of no concern the enraged ARR crowd. Newsweek reports about the insulting ARR lie that the coup attempt was caused by federal agents:
Conspiracy theorists pointed to one clip they say proved federal agents were present at the riot. They have argued a video shows one rioter, Kevin Lyons, wearing one of Trump's signature "Make America Great Again" hats, while flashing an official government identification badge at a camera.

Skeptics, however, pointed out that Lyons was actually holding a vape—not a government ID—pouring cold water on the theory. Several high-profile conservatives pushed the theory, but were forced to backtrack amid criticism.

Sen. Mike Lee of Utah was among the Republicans who backed the theory, retweeting a post on X, formerly Twitter, Saturday night questioning whether Lyons was an "undercover federal agent."

"I can't wait to ask FBI Director Christopher Wray about this at our next oversight hearing. I predict that, as always, his answers will be 97% information-free," Lee wrote in a post on X.

Lee's post remained public Monday morning, and he has not addressed criticism that Lyons was actually holding a vape, despite a community note from X fact-checking him on the matter: "The person is not flashing a badge. He is not a government employee or source. It is Kevin Lyons, who was recently sentenced to 4 years in jail for his actions on January 6th. He called police officers Nazis,'" the community note reads.
So there we have it, high-ranking US senator Mike Lee, himself a vicious, ignorant liar, accusing the FBI of being information-free on the basis of a debunked crackpot lie directly contradicted by video evidence. What an effing hypocrite and liar.

That is how mendacious and morally rotted America's ARR Republican Party is. 
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More people are going woke!  Salon reports more warnings about what would happen if the kleptocrat dictator gets re-elected in 2024:
“Our democracy hangs by a thread”: Expert panel says a Trump victory in 2024 will end it

Fight through the trauma and exhaustion, our panel urges: The 2024 election could “end the American experiment”

Donald Trump and the movement he represents are not “just” a matter of politics: They are effectively a public health crisis that touches all areas of American society and life.

These assaults on democracy and a humane society are emotional, physical, spiritual, psychological, economic, intellectual and material. Trumpism and fascism attack reality and truth, seeking to replace them with what social psychologists have described as a state of “malignant normality."

The result of these assaults is a collective state of trauma, anxiety, lack of direction and growing despair about our futures as individuals and citizens of a supposed democracy. These negative emotions are amplified by existential fears about global climate disaster, disruptive technologies such as AI, wars in multiple areas of the world, past and future pandemics and other unpredictable crises.

Fascism and authoritarianism are like opportunistic predators. They seek out societies in crisis whose dysfunction and brokenness allow them to flourish.

If Trump and his MAGA forces take back the White House, whether by fair means or foul — a once-unthinkable prospect that now seems increasingly likely — that might finally mean the end of innocence for those Americans who have deluded themselves into believing that “we are better than that.”

Cheri Jacobus is a former media spokesperson at the Republican National Committee:

I look at the poll numbers and realize that half the country supports a lying, treasonous, dangerous, racist, sexist authoritarian who is under indictment, has been found liable for massive fraud, and who may be elected president because he's good for Fox News ratings and does Vladimir Putin's bidding. He's a lifelong criminal who likely sold or otherwise provided classified and top secret intelligence to our enemies and adversaries, and who managed to install a federal judge in the right jurisdiction to delay and obstruct his case, and generally assist him in covering up his crimes.  
Joe Walsh was a Republican congressman and a leading Tea Party conservative:
Our democracy hangs by a thread, and a Trump victory in 2024 will end our democracy as we know it. People right now don't see this, and I worry that all the noise and chaos going on all over the world will keep people from recognizing the looming threat right in front of us. Biden looks overwhelmed by it all. That only strengthens Trump. .... What scares me the most right now is what's always scared me the most: Trump back in the White House, and a radicalized former political party of mine taking a sledgehammer to our democracy and our Constitution. The only thing that gives me hope is young people. Not because they understand any of this, but because they have the potential to understand. Older Americans are set in their ways. They're gone. Young people need to save this thing. I don't know if they will. But I know they can.

My goodness gracious. These people are starting to sound like Germaine has been sounding for the last ~7 years. I'm an Oracle. A seer. Sasquatch! I am being vindicated. MAGA!!

Why the hell is it taking so long for intelligent, informed people to see the freaking blatantly obvious? (rhetorical question)

But this post is not meant to say or imply that all MAGA people are pedophiles. It is just to point out that there are scumbags among the MAGA elites and the MAGA movement generally doesn't condemn the bad things the elites do. Trump is a great example.  
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The MAGA movement continues to draw hoards of the best people to its valiant, patriotic cause. Rolling Stone reports:
Right-Wing ‘Moms for Liberty’ Organizer Is 
a Convicted Sex Offender

MOMS FOR LIBERTY is a conservative parental rights group that has chapters all over the United States working to eradicate LGBTQ-related discussion in public schools, at least partially under the belief that educators are using it to “groom” children for sexual relationships. The group might want to look inward first. The Philadelphia Inquirer reported on Monday that Phillip Fisher Jr. — a pastor, Republican ward leader, and faith coordinator for Moms for Liberty in Philadelphia — is a registered sex offender.

Fisher was convicted in 2012 for aggravated sexual abuse of a 14-year-old boy, with the charging documents saying that Fisher, then 25, engaged and oral and anal [😮] sex with the boy. Fisher, who pleaded guilty, told the Inquirer that the conviction was a “railroad job” by a PAC affiliated with Lyndon LaRouche, the cult-y former presidential candidate whose organization Fisher worked for at the time. “It was a political situation that happened between me and Lyndon LaRouche,” Fisher said. “It was a member of his camp, his party, that made the accusation. They pushed it through.”
How MAGA!! sees this /s: See, Fisher is innocent. It was a Choo & Choo Railroad job by the vast LaRouche conspiracy empire that got Fisher the Pure to plead guilty. He’s innocent I say, INNOCENT! Those darned socialist Dems are just a bunch of pedophiles ’n perverts. God will smite them good and hard until they are dead. 


MAGA God smiting Dem pedos

MAGA God smiting Dem cities
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Monday, November 20, 2023

What supersedes what?

Consider two phenomena that are often at odds with each other: Public Safety versus Freedom of Speech, in particular, of the negative Dark Free Speech (DFS) variety.  Probably the most famous example of all is someone yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater, where there is no fire. Nope, no can do.  It threatens the public’s safety. 

Keeping beloved freedoms and keeping the greater society safe is a difficult challenge for democracies. How to find the right balance?  Much like Heisenberg’s famous Uncertainty Principle, you often end up losing one at the expense of gaining the other.  

So, I think we have to ask ourselves, Do “the needs of the many (public safety) outweigh the needs of the few (freedom to perpetuate DFS such as uncorroborated conspiracy theories and propagating misinformation) … or the one (It’s All About Me Syndrome™️),” if a democratic society is to remain intact?

Questions:

- To your way of thinking, what ultimately supersedes what?  Public safety or freedom of speech? How do you draw that difficult line?  Give details and examples.  

- If public safety is your priority, what is the best way to implement that? How do we force public safety on resistors? (Impose fines which won’t solve the problem? Other?)

- If freedom of speech is your priority, how do we keep the greater public safe from harmful speech? (Regulate it, and if so, by whom? Other?)  

News chunks: The war of mindsets that control AI; Capitalists are watching you 👀

It helps to understand what the elites with control over AI (artificial intelligence) are thinking. Two clashing visions are at war right now, but the war helps clarify the mindsets. The war broke out into the open last Friday. The NYT reports:
What Just Happened in the World of Artificial Intelligence?

The abrupt ouster of Sam Altman as chief executive of OpenAI on Friday has upended the industry, with investors, executives and others getting to grips with a head-spinning series of twists that reshuffled the major players at the forefront of one the hottest areas in technology.

In the end, after OpenAI rejected appeals to restore Mr. Altman to the top job, Microsoft, the company’s biggest investor, announced on Sunday it would hire him to run a new advanced research lab.

More broadly, the weekend’s turmoil highlighted an unresolved debate in the A.I. community over artificial intelligence, which many see as the most important new technology since web browsers but also poses potential dangers if misused.  
Details of his departure are still emerging but a dispute with a colleague at OpenAI appears to have played a role. Ilya Sutskever, a board member who founded OpenAI with Mr. Altman and several other people, was said to be growing increasingly alarmed that the company’s technology could pose a significant risk, and that Mr. Altman was not paying close enough attention to the potential harms. Mr. Sutskever also objected to what he perceived as his own diminished role inside the company.  
The A.I. industry is split among so-called doomers who say the technology is moving too quickly, risking disastrous results as machines learn to do more things; and others who say it can make life-saving enhancements for humanity.  
More than 1,000 tech leaders signed on to a letter in March calling for a pause in the development of A.I.’s most advanced systems, saying the tools have “profound risks to society and humanity.”

Mr. Altman, who did not sign that letter, has urged responsible management of A.I. while also promoting the technology, and in recent months pitched ideas to investors and others.
Note the implied false dilemma logic fallacy here by the brass knuckles capitalists: taking time for safety will eliminate most or all of the good that can come from the use of AI in commerce. That is false. We can get the benefits and safety by being reasonably careful and cautious. 

In my opinion, this is a very important bit to be aware of. One mindset among the AI elites (probably mostly multi-millionaires (> ~$25 million) and billionaires) can be called the brass knuckles capitalist mentality. It's sacred moral value is free markets running free (unregulated) and butt naked wild (no social conscience, little or no accountability for harm) in pursuit of the sacred God called Profit. The other mindset can be called reasonably regulated capitalism operating in service to the public interest or general welfare. 

When framed like this, one can instantly see the clash of morals, i.e., profit vs the public interest. This issue isn't that AI is useless, because that's false. The issue is safety and respect for the public and the environment. Brass knuckles capitalists could not care less about anything that gets in the way of profit. That includes safety and respect for the public and the environment.

At present, Microsoft and probably Google are in the brass knuckles capitalist army. I suspect that most other big business entities are too, even if they deny it in the PR (propaganda) messaging. So, while Altman urged "responsible management" of AI, that is PR. His comment clearly means he is on the side of brass knuckles capitalism.
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The brass knuckles capitalist war on privacy: NYT columnist Zeynep Tufecki (professor of sociology and public affairs at Princeton University) wrote an interesting opinion about huge corporations watching us and what it is worth to them:
A report in The Guardian in August that lawyers who had had business before the Supreme Court gave money to an aide to Justice Clarence Thomas for a Christmas party was surprising [IMO, bribe money laundering]. Just as surprising was the way the publication learned about it: from the aide’s public Venmo records. Brian X. Chen, the consumer technology writer for The Times, wrote that even he was surprised that such records of money transfers could be public.

A few years ago it became known that Alexa, Amazon’s voice device, recorded and sent private conversations to third parties, that Amazon staff members listened to recordings and kept an extensive archive of recordings by default.

Both companies responded to these startling violations of privacy by suggesting that the burden to keep this information from going public was on users, who could, they said, opt out of devices’ default settings to ensure privacy. This [in other words, f*ck off] is often the standard industry response.

Even if you’re aware of these problems, how easy is it to protect your privacy? Chen helpfully shared instructions for opting out of Venmo’s public disclosures.

“Inside the app, click on the Me tab, tap the settings icon and select Privacy. Under default privacy settings, select Private,” he explained. “Then, under the ‘More’ section in Privacy, click ‘Past Transactions’ and make sure to set that to ‘Change All to Private.’”

Got all that? I did, and changed my settings, too, as I had also been in the dark. 
On more than one occasion I discovered that my privacy settings had changed from what I thought they were. Help forums are full of similarly befuddled users. Sometimes it’s a bug. Other times, when I dug into it, I realized that another change I had made had surreptitiously switched me back into tracking. Sometimes I learned that there was yet another setting somewhere else that also needed to be changed.

The bigger problem is not the sometimes ridiculous difficulty of opting out, it’s that consumers often aren’t even aware of what their settings allow, or what it all means. If they were truly informed and actively choosing among the available options, the default setting would matter little, and be of little to no value.

But companies expect users to accept what they’re given, not know their options or not have the constant vigilance required to keep track of the available options, however limited they may be. Since the power in the industry is concentrated among few gatekeepers, and the technology is opaque and its consequences hard to foresee, default settings are some of the most important ways for companies to keep collecting and using data as they want. 
Tufecki went on to explain that default settings that automatically track people are worth billions to big tech corps. Apple changed the default settings on iPhones and other devices so that users could not be tracked automatically via a unique identifier assigned to their Apple device in 2021. Apple apps had to ask for and receive explicit permission before they could have access to that identifier. In that same year, Snap, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube were estimated to have lost about $10 billion in total because of the change. Similarly, in 2022, Meta, Facebook’s parent company, said it alone stood to lose $10 billion. 

Also in 2021, during a Google antitrust trial,  Google said that it paid $26.3 billion in 2021 to be the default search engine on various platforms. A big portion of the money went to Apple. $26.3 billion was more than a third of the entire 2021 profit of Google’s parent company, Alphabet.

Tufecki comments on how ridiculous this heavily rigged asymmetric war of information really is:
I’m not a tech novice: I started programming in middle school, worked as a developer and study these systems academically. If professionals can be tripped up, I’d argue that an industry rife with information asymmetries and powerful, complicated technologies needs to be reined in. .... Regulators can require companies to have defaults that favor privacy and autonomy, and make it easy to remain in control of them.
Yeah, they need to be reined in . . . . . bwahahahaha!! Make it easy? Bwahahahaha!! 

The brass knuckles capitalism wing of the authoritarian radical right Republican Party (i.e., the entire GOP leadership) will make damn sure that the playing field will be tipped in tech company’s favor as much as possible or even legal. After all The Profit God is sacred and infallible.

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Here's a quick quiz that evaluates your work habits to see if you’re a Boomer, Gen X, Millennial or Gen Z. I'm 29%/29%/24%/17% (B/X/Mil/Z), so some of all four generations, but mostly older fart rather than younger fart. We should all be aware of what we are because . . . . . not sure why. It’s important to know our fartiness anyway for future reference. Maybe.

Biden's Birthday, to make a fuss or not make a fuss?

                                                I say let's make a BIG FUSS!

                                                 I say we need less Sleepy Joe, and more......


Now if only the friggin' media would get on board:

Biden’s birthday prompts debate about age and wisdom of America’s oldest president

Washington, DC (CNN) — President Joe Biden is marking his 81st birthday milestone Monday with a low-key family celebration as he braces for a strenuous election year ahead.

But even as the first family keeps the celebrations muted and out-of-sight, the moment nevertheless highlights his greatest campaign liability – his advanced age and, along with it, perceptions among voters that his physical and mental fitness have declined.

https://ktvz.com/politics/cnn-us-politics/2023/11/20/biden-spends-a-low-key-birthday-with-family-but-questions-about-his-age-grow-louder/

From this Snowflake's perspective, we already see the problem:

"low-key celebration" when it would be better to show he can still party hardy?

"celebrations muted and out-of-sight" is sure not going to help the image of a frail old man. So why would they even think of such a tactic? Pull out all the stops I say. Whatyousay?

For an Aging President, a Birthday With a Bite

President Biden has no plans for a lavish public celebration when he turns 81 on Monday, even as Democrats search for a strategy to assuage voters’ concerns about his age by next year’s election.

Egads! That looks like a Fox News headline, but nope, this one is from........

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/19/us/politics/biden-birthday-age.html

In short folks, if the press is gonna focus on the negativities of his age, and he is being urged to stay "out-of-sight" HOW IN THE HELL is any of this going to help change the perception that Joe is just an old man and has lost his oomph!

It's like we keep blaming Rightwing media, when it is he himself, his advisors, and the media that should be supporting him, making him out to be an old man. 

SHEESH!