Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Saturday, October 26, 2024

The 2024 election: A true rock and hard place for some voters

Some voters are really unhappy. The New Republic reports:

“Extreme Danger”: Harris Earns a Stunning Endorsement Over Trump
More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

The letter describes an “awful situation where only flawed choices are available.”

“In our view, it is crystal clear that allowing the fascist Donald Trump to become President again would be the worst possible outcome for the Palestinian people. A Trump win would be an extreme danger to Muslims in our country, all immigrants, and the American pro-Palestine movement,” the letter states.
As if it was teed up and on-cue, various sources report this kind of context for the unhappiness:

Trump signals support in call with Netanyahu: ‘Do what you have to do’
Trump told Benjamin Netanyahu in one call this month, “Do what you have to do,” according to six people familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive and confidential information. Trump has said publicly that the two have spoken at least twice in October, with one call as recently as Oct. 19.

“He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was on a call this month with Trump and Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli operation that killed Hezbollah leaders with explosive batteries inside pagers. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done.”
Well, we all know that "do you have to do" means slaughtering Palestinians with even less restraint than before, which wasn't much. That is what scares the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims in Arizona into endorsing Harris, much as they hate the US role in what they see as an ongoing genocide.


Q1: Are the ongoing wars/military conflicts in the Middle East going to blow up into WW3 or military conflict somewhat close to it?

Q2: How much blame does Harris get of the current bloody, tragic state of affairs in the Middle East, none, low, moderate, most, nearly all, or all? Same question for the immigration mess at the US border, which could be (probably will be) a necessary factor for DJT to win the election?

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