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DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2025

djt's pardon machine: The new normal rule of law

In a lawsuit I am aware of, X has been convicted of braxen insider trading. Pxy's analysis and estimate of the likelihood of X asking for a djt pardon and getting it suggests it is reasonable. X has been convicted and their appeal options are running out. Jail time is imminent.
Q1: Has X appealed to Trump for a pardon?

A1: Given X’s high-profile conviction for insider trading and securities fraud, and the fact that they face a potentially lengthy prison sentence and substantial financial penalties, it is plausible that X would consider seeking a pardon from President Trump. X has a history of using all available legal avenues—they previously cooperated with prosecutors for immunity in (a gigantic 1980s fraud case) case and is expected to appeal their current conviction. The current climate, where President Trump has demonstrated a willingness to grant pardons to white-collar and politically connected individuals, further increases the likelihood that X will at least explore this option, especially if their appeal fails.

Based on the available search results, there is no evidence that X has appealed to President Trump for a pardon. The most recent official updates regarding X's legal situation focus on their conviction for securities fraud, a forfeiture order, and an upcoming sentencing hearing. None of the provided sources mention any public or legal request by X for a pardon from Trump.

Q2: About how much would X need to pay to Trump to get a pardon? What is an estimate of the going rate for Trump pardons of non-violent white-collar criminals?

A2: There is substantial reporting that the process for seeking a pardon from Trump has become highly transactional, with large sums spent on legal fees, lobbying, and campaign donations by those seeking clemency, especially in high-profile white-collar cases.

While not formally required, there are documented cases where large campaign donations or fundraising for Trump or his affiliated groups coincided with the granting of pardons. For example, Chris Christie highlighted that Paul Walczak’s mother was a "million-dollar donor/fundraiser for Trump" and that Walczak received a pardon despite a conviction for stealing $10 million in payroll taxes. This pattern suggests indicates that significant financial support for Trump’s political efforts may increases the likelihood of receiving clemency, though there is no official "price list." (edits added for clarity)

For comparison, reputable law firms specializing in federal pardons typically charge between $15,000 and $30,000 for standard cases, but these figures do not reflect the scale or political nature of the current Trump pardon environment, where access and influence are paramount.


This kind of white collar corruption is the new normal. Maybe X can pay djt enough to overcome their past political neutrality and get the golden ticket pardon.