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Saturday, March 5, 2022

Pro-Putin authoritarians are pretending they aren't

France's radical right Putin supporter Marine Le Pen 
is now pretending she now isn't as much of a Putin supporter 🤨


Apparently, Putin's mass murder and destruction in the Ukraine is causing a bit of heartburn among not just some radical right Republican authoritarians in the US. Some radical right dictator lovers in other countries are running for cover. They are expressing faux concern over the Russian invasion of and war in Ukraine. WaPo's Editorial Board writes in an opinion piece entitled Right-wing nationalists backpedal as Putin’s Ukraine war worsens:
For years, right-wing nationalist politicians pronounced a dewy-eyed admiration for Russia’s Vladimir Putin, a strongman they couldn’t resist. It wasn’t only Donald Trump who rhapsodized about Mr. Putin’s supposed “strength” and “traditional” values. It was also the leaders of similarly inclined movements in France, Italy, Hungary, the Czech Republic and elsewhere.

Many of those leaders have now been knocked off balance by Mr. Putin’s scorched-earth campaign in Ukraine. Heedless of the Russian leader’s previous acts of murderous brutality — against Ukraine, Georgia and various Russian dissidents who crossed him — the current carnage has triggered a backpedaling stampede. For many Europeans in particular, the unfolding barbarity in Ukraine, alarmingly nearby, has placed nationalist parties and politicians in an unflattering and clarifying new light.

In France, ahead of national elections next month, right-wing politician Marine Le Pen has been embarrassed by a photograph of her shaking hands with Mr. Putin, featured in more than 1 million pamphlets recently printed by her National Rally party. Ms. Le Pen, who previously supported Mr. Putin’s annexation of Crimea, part of Ukraine, after her party took a 9 million-euro loan from a Russian bank to finance her 2017 presidential campaign, could plausibly have been regarded as a Russian asset by Moscow. As recently as last month, she parroted the Kremlin’s denials that Mr. Putin planned to invade Ukraine, saying she didn’t believe a bit of it. “I don’t see what … would be their interest there,” she declared.

Her eyes having been opened, she now asserts the invasion is “unjustifiable.” Another French right-winger, Éric Zemmour, who also scoffed at the odds of a Russian attack, and made no secret of his admiration for Mr. Putin, has undergone a similar awakening. 
Hungarians, too, have been subjected to rhetorical acrobatics by their nationalist prime minister, Viktor Orban, who never hid his admiration for Mr. Putin despite his country’s membership in NATO. Mr. Orban, also blind to Mr. Putin’s intentions, said the Russian president’s demands on Ukraine leading up to the invasion were perfectly reasonable.

Now, Mr. Orban, who faces a tough fight ahead of Hungary’s April 3 elections, has changed his tune. Hungarians would be within their rights to question his coziness with a predatory strongman whose naked aggression has now caused more than 100,000 Ukrainian refugees to flee into Hungary, a number very likely to rise.

In the United States, Mr. Putin’s invasion has prompted some Republicans to distance themselves, uncharacteristically, from Mr. Trump, who termed the Russian leader a “genius.” Some will have their own explaining to do when confronted by their previous remarks. And Americans will have the chance to judge who did, and did not, try to delude them about the Russian leader.
One can reasonably doubt that Republican politician support for Putin and Trump is likely to hurt them. They're in the cult and probably mostly safe at the polls.  

The same will very likely apply to the authoritarian right's propaganda Leviathan. It is unimaginable that professional liars and bloviators like Tucker Carlson will change their tunes in the long run. The liars at Fox and other radical right propagandists probably will tone down their propaganda and lies until Ukraine passes from prominence in the media. Then the anti-democracy daggers will slowly come back to continue the neo-fascist assault.  


Residential buildings in Ukraine that 
Putin attacked and damaged or destroyed

Putin is has stolen billions, maybe ~$70 billion 
Putin should pay for the lives he took 
and what he has damaged and destroyed

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