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Wednesday, July 30, 2025

Regarding that far better than great trade agreement with the EU

Lying vs bullshitting
MSN reported about the trade trade agreement wit the EU that djt announced while he is in Scotland cheating on his golf game. I asked Pxy if the MSN reporting was accurate and if so, whether djt's description of the deal was lying or bullshitting. Pxy said that (1) the MSN reporting is accurate, and (2) Trump's behavior fits the pattern of bullshitting rather than lying. 

Pxy says: Liars know the truth (and this) and actively try to conceal it. They maintain a relationship with truth even as they oppose it. Bullshitters are indifferent to truth and falsity altogether. They don't care whether their statements are true or false, only whether they serve their purposes. Trump's pattern shows classic bullshitting characteristics. He has made contradictory claims about the same deal within hours (1, 6), and his administration has consistently failed to provide coherent details when pressed. This suggests indifference to factual accuracy rather than deliberate deception (3, 5).


The illusory EU trade agreement
The preliminary agreement, announced at the end of a face-to-face meeting of Ursula von der Leyen and Donald Trump in Scotland, has prompted a massive wave of criticism over its heavily lopsided nature in favor of American interests.

Then the story took a new twist when the White House published a fact sheet about the agreement with multiple claims that mismatched or downright contradicted the version of events presented by the Commission just hours earlier.

On Tuesday, Brussels replied with its own statement, sowing further confusion.
Here's a summary of djt's bullshit.

Pharmaceuticals: djt claims pharmaceuticals will be subject to the 15% tariff immediately, while the European Commission states pharmaceuticals will remain at 0% tariffs until separate US investigations are completed. Based on nothing at all, he also suggested that pharmaceuticals might face higher tariffs later.

Energy Purchases: djt alleged there is a $750 billion energy sales commitment in the binding trade agreement. However, the European Commission clarified it cannot legally guarantee private sector purchases and described the figure as merely an "indication based on contacts with industry". Analysts call these energy purchase targets "unrealistic" and "nearly unfeasible" because the US cannot currently produce that much exportable carbon energy. And, the Commission said it does not even have the authority to negotiate such a deal because that is a matter of individual national decisions.

Investment Pledges: djt falsely touted $600 billion in guaranteed EU investments in the fake agreement. The Commission emphasizes these are private sector intentions beyond government control. The Commission acknowledges this figure "might shrink once the impact of the EU-US trade deal begins to take effect".

US Military Equipment: The bullshitter falsely claimed the EU "agreed to purchase significant amounts of US military equipment." The Commission "resolutely denied making any pledge" regarding weapons purchases, calling it strictly a national competence matter.

Steel and Aluminum: The EU will continue to pay the existing 50% tariff rate, but the EU says the deal will set up a quota system. Under that proposed system, EU exports that fall within the quota limit will be subject to from a lower tariff rate. But for exports above that, the 50% will apply, senior officials explained. The Commission said that since the deal is not finalized, there are no details to report.

The bottom line: There is no final trade agreement with the EU. Nothing is binding. Everything djt said about it is bullshit and false. 

Now, time to get back on the golf course to cheat on his golf game.

At ~6 seconds, the caddy on the right discretely drops golf 
ball behind himself so that djt has a better position

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