Etiquette



DP Etiquette

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Tuesday, March 2, 2021

The Cuomo Situation…

 

Sexual harassment is the kind of thing men and women see differently.  While men may see their overly zealous flirtations as rather innocent, hopeful of a reciprocated response, or maybe even a sexual fantasy come true, women may see such flirtations as an attempt to dominate, intimidate, or insult.  It’s all a matter of sexual perspective. One usually knows when a flirtation is welcomed.  Without some sort of flirtation, no one would ever get together with/find a mate.  So I can get that part.

I have never been sexually abused, but I have been sexually approached in a way that was not welcomed by me.  I finally spoke up one day, and it stopped.  Luckily for the man, that was back in 1980, when such behavior flew under the radar more than it does today.  Today, women are no longer so tolerant.  I know I sure wouldn’t let it stand.  I’m not that young, gullible girl (often the victim) anymore. 😉

In a statement from Cuomo, he attempts to apologize.  It looks rather “boiler plate” to me, but…

"I now understand that my interactions may have been insensitive or too personal and that some of my comments, given my position, made others feel in ways I never intended. I acknowledge some of the things I have said have been misinterpreted as an unwanted flirtation. To the extent anyone felt that way, I am truly sorry about that."

Here is the question:

Should Cuomo step down, be removed, be ignored, be tolerated, other?

What, in your opinion, is the remedy to the Cuomo situation?

Judging Lies



Every politician lies. 


This fundamental truth is one of the few things all political commentators agree on. Lying is commonplace, tactful, and even sometimes considered the right thing to do. It is a tool of deception that even those deceived will occasionally respect, while voters will use the dishonestly as a cudgel against the party they dislike, rarely considering the dishonesty of their own allegiances. 


But just because everyone lies, does that make everyone equally a liar? Would a person who lies once be the same as a person who pathologically lies? Would a stance reliant on dishonesty equal a stance that does not, but who’s presentation was lied about to put it forward? 


This question has long vexed me, not because I do not have a ready answer, but because it is hard to explain to others why it is not really even a close question for me anymore when I look at political positions. For me it is clear, through scale, goal, context, prevalence and role, who earns the title “liar” and who is only occasionally dishonest. But how?


Let’s take a look at the five categories mentioned and maybe someone in the comments can distill it into a much more concise reasoning.


Scale

Simply put, there is lying about what you said at a party, and there is lying about embezzling 30 million dollars from sick children. The scale of the lie matters in judgement, because while you are being dishonest about your own words in the former, you are harming many people in the latter. Dishonesty on the personal scale simply doesn’t stack up to dishonesty on the societal scale. So when a politician is known for fibbing about themselves versus fibbing about the impact of their policies on others, it matters.


President Clinton lied about having an affair. It was a personal scale, between him, his wife and his affair partner. It’s complicated by it also being from a position of power, but it is otherwise inconsequential to the nation as a whole. 


President Trump lied about the impact of the Coronavirus. Hundreds of thousands of people died whom scientists have shown would not have if they were given the truthful information and the government had acted accordingly. 


Goal

Why lie? Are you lying because you understand that many people will twist the truth and that will undercut your program, or are you lying because the actual truth stands fundamentally against your goals? Neither are good, but a lie meant to protect the truth is better than a lie meant to attack the truth.


For example, Vice President Al Gore presented climate change’s worst possible outcomes and progress in an effort to get people to pay attention to this vital issue. He plausibly knew that they weren’t the most likely outcomes, but also knew that presenting the facts directly would often cause people to dismiss it, given their lack of knowledge over what a few degrees change would actually do. The goal was to get people to acknowledge the truth that climate change was a serious issue.


On the other hand we have Senator Jim Inhofe, who brought a snowball into Congress to argue that since there was snow, there was no climate change impact. It was meant entirely to derail any discussion of impact of climate change by noting that there was still snow, so it couldn’t (in his mind) be all that bad. It was an attempt to hide the truth, to attack it, by presenting something that didn’t even honestly address the premise.  


Context

Context can make a statement true or untrue, even if the intent or even the actual claim a person made was the opposite. 15 people being shot out of a population of 20 is a serious problem that needs immediate attention; 15 people out of 20,000,000 somewhat less. Someone claiming it is a problem is telling the truth, but context can make that claim more or less potent. 


For example, President Obama made a claim that under his ACA, no one would lose access to the doctor of their choice. It turned out that after the legislation was processed and altered, insurance companies refused to go along with many parts of it and thus this was not the case for many people. Additionally, many plans did not meet up with the (even then) standards for being a legal insurance, and so more people “lost” their plans. While Obama intended the truth, in context he was found to be lying, or oversimplifying, and so people found his statement to be dishonest.


On the other side we have President Trump claiming to have won the election in every state, on every level, with unprecedented voter fraud being the only reason he lost by 8 million votes. To protect this lie, he built a narrative that states illegally changed their voting process (they did not), that millions of people voted illegally (they did not), that dozens of voting count locations engaged in illegal activity (they did not) and that a recount would prove him right (it did not). While the context was also disproved, those who continue to support him cite the context he fabricated as something that turns an obviously dishonest claim into the truth. 


Prevalence

How often someone lies speaks to their credibility, or the chance you will believe something they say without full verification. Since no one has time to check every claim uttered, credibility matters to any honest conversation. Thus those who lie only a few times tend to have more, despite being dishonest sometimes, than one who is known to lie, or be hypocritical. 


As a Senator, President Joe Biden pushed against the hypothetical appointment of a Supreme Court Justice four months from Election Day, stating that consideration should wait until after the election. Specifically he stated that during an election season one should not be considered, but one could be made directly after the election, still within the term of the current president. He encouraged the parties to work together to find consensus candidates, and reject volatile candidates such as Robert Bork, who was widely considered the next up. As Vice President, Biden supported Obama’s selection of Merrick Garland for SCJ a year before election day, though the primaries were already well under way. This was considered by some to be hypocritical to his 1992 speech. 


One of his critics, Mitch McConnell, called it the “Biden rule” despite there being no such rule or precedent and despite it going against the text of the Constitution, and abdicated his duty to consider ANY nominee from President Obama for a year. He then turned around and confirmed a nominee for SCJ while voting in the general election was ongoing, not four years later. The hypocrisy not once but twice (McConnell supported any nominee in 1992 no matter the timeline) makes his dishonesty far more egregious.


Role 

Are lies meant to support a policy, or do they form the core of it? If your policy is meant to help people gain economic support, you may lie about some funding for it that makes it more palatable. However, you also have situations in which you tell people your policy is for economic support, while any analysis of it shows that to be at best a by-product. The role of your lie matters.


Elizabeth Warren was asked multiple times how she was going to pay for her policies helping education, childcare, social support and healthcare. She often would deflect any question of “would you increase taxes?” This was often done as a tactic to deny a soundbite, but it made her come off as dishonest because everyone knew that yes, taxes would go up, despite the personal cost to individuals going far done (less copays, side costs, etc). She omitted the truth to simplify the narrative.


The Republican Party pushed through a massive Tax Cut package in 2017, billed as a way to help the economically disadvantaged. Analysis of the bill have proven that to be both fallacious in intent and effect, as supply side economics has been widely disproved, most of the relief went to the top 1% of wealth owners, and much of the lower relief was set to end in 2020, while the upper relief was not. The core of the bill was a lie; this was not meant to help the economically advantaged, it was meant to reduce restrictions and tax burdens on the wealthy. 


Summary

We have to make decisions as voters, and that decision requires judgement of policy, of impact and of integrity. To me it is very obvious where the most failures are in the latter, which is why I vote the way I do. I hope this look into the five noted aspects illuminates a process I believe most people judge by, and that it takes away this idea of everyone being equal if they lie even once. We cannot continue to make decisions on such wildly inaccurate generalizations. 


Truth matters. Who you hurt by attacking the truth matters. Why you lie matters. How much you directly harm that truth matters. How often you lie matters. And how you use lies matters. 

I wonder how much it matters to you?


Monday, March 1, 2021

I know it’s complicated but…

  


Was/Is The American Experiment destined to eventually fail?

"Is it possible for a Government to be permanently maintained without privileged classes, without a standing army, and without either hereditary or self-appointed rulers? Is the democratic principle of equal rights, general suffrage, and government by a majority, capable of being carried into practical operation, and that, too, over a large extent of country?"

If NO, why not?  What keeps or will keep The American Experiment together/keep it going?

  • Your reasons here

If YES, what are the possible reasons for its eventual failure?  Examples:

  • Too much diversity (races, creeds, colors, etc)
  • Too much individuality over a collective mindset (versus, say, China)
  • Too much liberty (DFS, R-wing/L-wing media influence, torts abuse, etc)
  • Not enough liberty (Patriot Act, privacy issues, ACLU influence, etc)
  • Not enough “Ask what you can do for your country” and
  • Too much “Ask what your country can do for you”
  • Too much heretofore “white privilege” being lost and/or undermined
  • Too little higher education and critical thinking classes
  • Too much influence on politics and decision-making by “fly-over” country
  • Too much Hollywood (glitz and glamour over substance, car crashes, movie stars/sports stars worship/delusions of wannabe grandeur, “wrong kind” of hero worship, etc)
  • Too little (i.e., flimsy) values (sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll, “me me me” thinking, immediate gratification wants, etc)
  • The good idea of Capitalism used and abused to the point of too much greed (deregulation in the name of profits, slave/poverty wages, tax loopholes, unfair tax laws, etc)
  • Nothing or very little to unite (i.e., no common values)
  • Other

How long (in years) do you give the American Experiment to survive?

Did Kamala Harris Encourage or Support People Who Rioted in Seattle and Portland?

Kamala Harris - insurrectionist and murdering rioter supporter, 
or peaceful protest supporter?


CONTEXT
Criticisms of President Biden, his administration and democrats generally are coming fast and vicious. The 2022 election season is well-underway. So far, most attacks seem to be significantly or completely grounded in lies, misleading statements, partisan motivated (flawed) reasoning, etc. One of the attacks is on statements that Harris made about protesters in the weeks before the 2020 election. The radical right characterizes her statements as open support for insurrection, violent riots and lawlessness. 

These days, when the radical right hurls accusations at political or social opposition, it seems to usually be the case that they are projecting and often the targets are not doing much or any of the accused bad behavior. Is that the case with Harris? Three different analyses by reliable sources say that Harris did not express support for riots or illegal protest. The three analyses are by AP, Reuters and the fact checking organization, Snopes.


Three separate analyses

CLAIM: Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris encouraged the rioters that are destroying American cities to keep going, saying, “they’re not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not gonna stop after Election Day, and they should not.”


AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. Harris was talking about protesters, not rioters, during a June interview with CBS “Late Show” host Stephen Colbert. The conversation focused on marching and protests, with no mention of riots.

FALSE: A June quote from California Sen. Kamala Harris about protest movements has surfaced anew in a social media post that uses it to misleadingly paint the vice presidential candidate as a cheerleader of rioting and destruction.

Reuters Oct. 29, 2020 analysis
The video being shared by social media users ( youtu.be/5XxLR2r5oPg ) shows a clip of Harris on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert saying: “But they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop. They’re not. This is a movement. I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop, and everyone, beware. Because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before election day in November, and they are not going to stop after election day. And everyone should take note of that on both levels. That they’re not going to let up. And they should not, and we should not.”

Above the video clip there is the headline: “Harris on BLM riots: ‘Beware,’ they’re not gonna stop.”

Captions with the video include, “Democrats like rioters. They like terrorists. They support looters and arsonists. Democrats hate America. Crush the Democrats.” (here; “Kamala Harris continually advocates for riots and disruption as a valid response.” ( here ); “Kamala Harris promises that the BLM riots will not stop. They will continue until election day and beyond.” ( here )

Harris condemned violent protests on Aug. 27 after multiple nights of looting and two violent deaths.

She said, “It’s no wonder people are taking to the streets and I support them. We must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protestors. We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. And make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice.” ( here

Harris joined anti-racism protests following the death of George Floyd. She wrote about her support for the protests and her experience at the protests in an op-ed for the Los Angeles Sentinel here .


VERDICT

Partly false. Harris’ comments on The Late Show expressing support for protests are authentic. However, there is no mention of riots or violent protests in this interview. Harris has previously condemned violent protests.


They’re not gonna stop […] this is a movement I’m telling you, they’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware, because they’re not gonna stop, they’re not gonna stop before election day in November, and they’re not gonna stop after election day […] and everyone should take note of that on both levels, that they’re not gonna let up, and they should not, and we should not.

These were indeed her words from the interview on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” in June. While Harris did make that statement, she was not speaking out in favor of the rioting, however. The statement in question appears towards the end of the clip below at around 5:25:


For context, Colbert had asked Harris about her participation in a protest in Washington D.C. over the summer. She spoke about her family history of activism, and in favor of protesters who were asking for justice and accountability. Riots were not mentioned in the clip. Excerpts of the transcript can be found below:

Harris: I learned that the greatest movements that we have seen in recent history in our country and probably since the beginning have been born out of protest, have been born out of understanding the power of the people to take to the streets and force their government to address what is wrong, the inequities, the inequalities, the unfairness, but also the conscience of a government is its people, to force the government to be true to the ideals that we say we hold dear and almost every one of those marches has been about one fundamental ideal in our country which is equal justice under law […] These protests are the catalyst to getting there.

[…]

Harris: The only way we are truly going to achieve change is when there are people in the system who are willing and pushing to do it, and when there are those folks who are outside of the system demanding it. I am very clear that some of the success that we are able to achieve around criminal justice reform would not have happened in recent years were it not for Black Lives Matter.

[…]

Colbert: I want to make clear that I know that there are protests still happening in major cities across the United States, I’m just not seeing the reporting on it that I had for the first few weeks […]

Harris: They’re not gonna stop […] this is a movement I’m telling you, they’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware, because they’re not gonna stop, they’re not gonna stop before election day in November, and they’re not gonna stop after election day […] and everyone should take note of that on both levels, that they’re not gonna let up, and they should not, and we should not.

Harris has previously condemned the riots that led to looting and violence during some of the protests, and said she supports peaceful protesters. In August, she reacted to the violence that occurred during demonstrations against the police-involved shooting of Jacob Blake, another Black man, in Kenosha, Wisconsin, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. Seventeen-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, the alleged perpetrator, was arrested on homicide charges after shootings in which two people were killed and a third injured.

Of the anti-police brutality protesters, Harris said: “We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. And make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice.”

So, does Harris support riots, violence and/or illegal protests? Is she just as bad as the former president who tried to overthrow the government by force and is in the process of consolidating his iron grip on the now fascist, lies and blind hate-driven GOP?