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Sunday, May 8, 2022

Anti-abortionists shift gears and aim for nationwide ban and criminal penalties

There appears to be a growing recognition that religious conservatives, now more accurately called radical Christian fundamentalist conservatives or just Christian nationalists, have a broader agenda than merely overturning Roe v. Wade. The New York Times writes:
The court’s opinion is not final, but the draft immediately shifted the horizon by raising a new question: If Roe is struck down, where does the anti-abortion movement go next?

Many leaders are redoubling state efforts, where they’ve already had success, with an eye toward more restrictive measures. Several prominent groups now say they would support a national abortion ban after as many as 15 weeks or as few as six, all lower than Roe’s standard of around 23 or 24. A vocal faction is talking about “abortion abolition,” proposing legislation to outlaw abortion after conception, with few if any exceptions in cases of rape or incest.

The sprawling anti-abortion grass-roots campaign is rapidly approaching an entirely new era, one in which abortion would no longer be a nationally protected right to overcome, but a decision to be legislated by individual states. For many activists, overturning Roe would mark what they see as not the end, but a new beginning to limit abortion access even further. It also would present a test, as those who have long backed incremental change could clash with those who increasingly push to end legal abortion altogether.

This week, many anti-abortion leaders were wary of celebrating before the court’s final ruling, expected this summer. They remembered Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992, when they hoped the court would overturn Roe and it ultimately did not. But they said they have been preparing for this moment and its possibilities for decades.  
“If a dog catches a car, it doesn’t know what to do,” said Carol Tobias, president of the National Right to Life Committee. “We do.”

The Susan B. Anthony List, an anti-abortion political group, is planning a strategy involving state legislatures where it sees room to advance their cause or protect it. The National Right to Life is trying to support its affiliates in every state as it looks to lobby lawmakers. Both groups have been hoping to build support in Congress for a national abortion ban, even if it could take years, just as it did to gain momentum to undo Roe.  
Across the anti-abortion spectrum, everything is on the table, from instituting bans when fetal cardiac activity is detected, to pressing their case in Democratic strongholds. Some activists are prioritizing limiting medication abortion, which accounts for more than half of all abortions.  
While many fighting for restrictions believe abortion to be murder, only a small fringe openly call for punishing a woman for procuring one.

Lawmakers in Louisiana, however, advanced a bill on Wednesday that would classify abortion as homicide and make it possible for prosecutors to bring criminal cases against women who end a pregnancy.
Just wait. Over time that “small fringe” will grown to become the dominant dogma for Republicans. Those who dissent, will be RINO hunted out. That what years of demagogic propaganda can do to a society. In that kind of protected free speech lies the poison that will kill democracy and allow an intolerant theocratic White Christian dictatorship to flourish in the wreckage.

In moral terms, most rank and file Christian nationalists see this as (i) the morally right path to take, and (ii) not political at all, just normal. Fantasies like that are what decades of demagogic authoritarian dark free speech has brought down on what's left of our fading American democracy.

Notice the signs: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you 
Before you were born I set you free”
and
Love them Both

That is really what millions of Christian  
nationalists sincerely believe

Love them Both is BS, its like the Christian falsehood 
“Hate the sin, Love the sinner
(most of them hate the sin and the sinner
-- people just cannot separate the sin from the sinner 
because the human mind does not work that way)

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