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Taking a much-needed mental break from politics, what do you
think about “reality?”Nebulous
question, I grant you. 😁 But more
specifically, I’m wondering, is math just one property of reality?Or is math one and the same with
what we think of as reality? Yes, a question right down my alley, and one that is
being hotly debated in the science world.
From the World Science Festival (begin viewing at the
1:14:18 mark):
So, is a cucumber, with all its mathematical properties, potentially a Ferrari given a different math structure/configuration?Is a tree just numbers?
Task: Argue your POV: That reality IS only math *or* That reality
IS NOT only math.
If you see reality as NOT only math (but more), name something,
anything, whose properties (at its most fundamental) cannot be described
in mathematical terms ...*and*... what precludes that something, making it stand above/outside of math.IOW, justify your answer. Any takers here?
(While I'm hoping for it, I'm not expecting much of a turnout here. 😉 That's fine. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. No problem.)
The New Right and Racism is chapter 6 of Sarah Posner's 2020 book, Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Donald Trump. This chapter summarizes the recent, frightening history of the intense racism, racist propaganda and revisionist history that is a major driver of the modern New Right political movement, now sometimes called the alt-right. The movement is firmly grounded in lies and sophisticated emotional manipulation that is arguably second to none in human history. In large part, this chapter is about the stunning power of dark free speech and its ability to create faux realities in people’s minds based on lies, emotional appeals to base instincts (especially racism) and crackpot conspiracies.
At the end of the chapter, Posner briefly touches on the influence of the ex-president. She argues that he and his rhetoric saved the alt-right from a slow march into oblivion. He did that by normalizing white nationalism and making its alleged but false grievances appear to be real and, importantly, applicable to tens of millions of average Americans:
“From Bob Whitaker to Sam Francis to William Lind to Donald Trump, the mythic ‘middle American radical’ was honed not only as a political mascot, but as a locus for voter resentment, a rallying cry for cultivating voters who believed that liberalism, pluralism and civil rights had ripped their heritage and culture right out from under them. The history of the New Right--and its deep and pervasive opposition to civil rights, desegregation and other efforts at ending race discrimination--has been largely forgotten or erased. .... Over the years, the [pro-Trump] coalition yielded to societal pressure to reel in its overt racism and opposition to civil rights advances for black Americans.
But once Trump brought white nationalism out of the closet, the opposition to civil rights and multiculturalism as elitist ideas tyrannically imposed on white Americans were familiar not only to the hard core white supremacists of the alt-right but to conservatives and paleoconservatives steeped in the same grievances. These voters still harbored resentments that their rights and standing in American society had been somehow diminished by the civil rights movement--and that the ‘mainstream’ conservatism of the two Bush presidencies had not represented their interests, either. Trump didn’t make an entirely new movement out of whole cloth. With his own televangelist gloss, he reactivated the fundamental driving force of the conservative movement of the second half of the twentieth century.”
The propaganda on this point is superb. Before Trump, the alt-right movement had already learned to shift its rhetoric from overt racism to grievance about lost white status and privilege at the hands of hostile outsiders and foreigners. Based on the history, the core New Right grievance was and still is racist. Probably no more than about 2-3% of people who supported the ex-president are aware of most of the real history, instead relying on the deceit, lies and revisionism that the New Right movement routinely relied on in its messaging. Nearly all of those people sincerely believe that they are not racist and that the people they support are not racist. The con job here is breathtaking.
The elites of this movement, reasonably called Christian nationalism, are all aware of what they are doing and why. They are intractably racist but they know how to make it appear that they are not. They work quietly and persistently. In the federal government, they constitute a group of people who can accurately be called the deep state.
Although racism is the focus of this chapter, the Christian nationalist movement is fundamentally a decentralized political movement. The core agenda is accumulation of wealth and power for white elite Christians and elimination of secular government, public education and civil liberties. The vehicle used to gain public support is ruthless dark free speech designed to polarize, divide and foment distrust in society. The tactics are always the same, i.e., heavy reliance on lies, deceit, irrational emotional manipulation and partisan motivated reasoning. Playing on racism is a core element in the New Right propaganda toolbox.
Some of the racist history
For the most part, the modern timeline goes back to the 1950s and Supreme Court decisions in Brown v. Board of Education that ordered public school desegregation. Those decisions, later lower court rulings and government implementation of means to desegregate schools and reduce discrimination fueled the New Right movement starting from the 1950s, and it still does in 2021. In particular, school busing and attempts to make school textbooks less white Christian centric and revisionist were powerful drivers of support for the New Right. Fights over public school textbooks are still important to the alt-right. A core idea of the Brown decision is that separate but equal is unconstitutional. The New Right elites reject that reasoning. The rank and file may mostly support it, but the people in power do not.
The New Right led the attacks on all federal efforts to desegregate public schools. Federal actions were portrayed as subverting parental authority, anti-American, anti-Christian and, as Posner puts it, “subversive to the natural order of things.” At least since the 1970s, the New Right quietly exerted significant power through its presence in the federal government:
“.... people associated with the alt-right [earlier the New Right] have always been a seamless part of official Washington .... Often their presence, and their impact on policy, has gone unnoticed. .... they represented a potent and enduring strand of the American right, one that seethed with resentment over its exile from mainstream conservatism--making it primed to be activated when Trump came on the scene. .... [Despite occasional purges by conservative Republicans] they, and their odious ideas, never went away.”
One federal employee, Robert Whitaker, played a modest role in the rise of the New Right in the 1970s and 1980s. After the 1980s he was publicly quiet until 2006 when he resurfaced as a white supremacist, writing for the neo-Nazi website National Vanguard that immigration was a horror and white people were the victims: “But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, .... Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.” In 2015, Whitaker ran for president for the white supremacist American Freedom Party, but he dropped off the ticket after the AFP endorsed the ex-president in 2016.
A key New Right propaganda goal was to foment distrust in the federal government and public schools. One New Right propagandist, James McKenna, a lawyer working at the Heritage Foundation, wrote in a New York Times opinion piece in 1975: “Parents are worried that the schools are turning into big impersonal bureaucracies that do not respond to pressure from the grassroots. People no longer automatically trust the government to know what’s best.”
In congressional testimony in 1974, another New Right propagandist, M. Stanton Evans, chairman of the American Conservative Union, attacked school busing and the core reasoning in the 1954 Brown decision. Evans argued that for school segregation, separate was equal and black children were better off in segregated schools. The Brown holding was that separate was not equal. Evans’ reasoning was cynical and ice-cold. He argued that the liberal education establishment “became convinced and apparently convinced some of our federal judges that Negro children must be taken out of their homes and neighborhoods and placed in an ‘artificial environment’ created by the government, where they will be immersed as fully as possible in an altogether different culture.” Evans complained that liberals believed they had “a commission to tinker around with psychic makeup of the human species.” This line of reasoning, fake concern for black children, was a brilliant bit of propaganda that conflicted with the reasoning in Brown.
A related line of propaganda in New Right opposition to public school desegregation was that it was needed to protect white students. Protect them from what? To protect them from the trauma of personally experiencing the truths in all the white racist myths and lies about black people, including their affinity for crime, their lower IQ and their inherent immoral personal character. New Right propagandist Robert Whitaker wrote: “The proposition that busing promotes brotherhood would be hilarious if it were not so cruel. .... In many schools children raised in the ghetto are a terror. Hence, for impressionable young white minds, the black beast of the most virulent racist literature seems observed reality.” Now that is real racism.
The New Right is open to getting its way by violence and dictatorship. An influential New Right propagandist, Sam Francis (1923-1994), wrote about white grievance being rooted “in perceived injustices, unrelieved exploitation by anonymous powers that be, a threatened future, and an insulted past. [It is] therefore understandable that some of its adherents sometimes fantasize that the cartridge box is a not unsatisfactory substitute for the ballot box.” Posner describes Francis as the patron saint of the modern alt-right. On dictatorship, or an imperial presidency Francis wrote : “the adoption of Caesarist tactics [would] reflect the historical pattern by which rising classes ally with an executive power to displace the oligarchy that is entrenched in the intermediate bodies. .... only the Presidency has the power and the resources to begin the process and mobilize popular support for it.”
No wonder Posner calls Francis the patron saint of the modern alt-right. These people are not just racist. They are also fascist and anti-democratic. Just like Francis was. He clearly foresaw the possibility of a monster like Trump rising to power to save the white race from the alleged oppression of religion, civil liberties and a pluralist society. Posner comments on the Francis legacy: “Francis’s books are regularly read and celebrated by the alt-right and paleoconservatives like Pat Buchanan.”
Questions:
1. It is reasonable to believe that most rank and file Republicans are not themselves racist, but nonetheless support an arguably racist movement that they sincerely believe is fighting against oppression of the white race and/or to preserve or advance white social status, e.g., by attacking civil liberties?
2. It is reasonable to believe that the New Right and now the alt-right has deceived most Christian evangelicals into strong support for a fascist, racist agenda, regardless of how they view the movement?
In an interview with a former staff person, Olivia Troye, working for Mike Pence when he was Vice President said that the racist Steven Miller sabotaged the Afghanistan visa process. Miller and his racist thugs stopped it as long as the racist ex-president was still in office. That is why Afghan allies visa applications were not processed, granted and flown to safety as long as the racists were in power. Troye said that people within the federal government came to her begging to see if Pence, also a racist whether he knows it or not, would help them process desperately needed visa approvals. Federal employees who tried to process visas were threatened with loss of their jobs and pensions. They were frozen in fear and did nothing.
Instead of being honest and transparent by cancelling the visa program, our racist ex-president and the racist thugs and liars who worked for him sabotaged a federal program in the name of their racism and hostility to non-White immigrants.
Some Steven Miller quotes and context
"Continue to worship at the altar of multiculturalism and we may come to see that we are participating in the sacrifice of the one culture which binds us all."
"No just society can survive which abandons God."
"Every American has the right to support a policy of retreat and capitulation, and, as so many leftists do, they also have right to lie and slander the country and the president to further this agenda."
"The Hollywood crowd feels sympathy for the terrorists, detests Republicans and sees America as an obstacle to a better world."
For almost three decades, Jared Taylor has been publishing his ideas about race at the American Renaissance magazine and now at a website called AmRen, which is considered a mouthpiece for white supremacist ideology.
"The races are not identical and equivalent," says Taylor, who calls himself a "race realist" and rejects the white supremacist label. "There are patterns of difference. But this is now something that's considered a huge, hateful taboo in the United States."
The website is not well-known outside white nationalist circles — but it found an audience in White House adviser Stephen Miller.
Miller has recommended articles on AmRen and another white nationalist site called VDARE. We know this because the Southern Poverty Law Center has uncovered hundreds of emails that Miller wrote to a reporter at Breitbart News before he worked in the White House.
Civil rights activists and more than 100 members of Congress — all Democrats — have called for Miller's resignation since the publication of the emails. But the White House is standing behind him. And Republicans have been largely silent. Critics say that this suggests the line of what's acceptable in public discourse has shifted.
By 2019, it should have been obvious to everyone that the line of what's acceptable in public discourse had shifted. The fascist, Christian nationalist Republican Party and its fascist leader shifted it. Acceptance of White Supremacism and overt discrimination against non-White had become acceptable and mainstream in the fascist Republican Party.
One can only wonder whether such deep state sabotage operations like what the ex-president, Miller and other racist thugs pulled off is or should be legal.
Questions: When Biden asserted that chaos was baked into the final exit process, was he mostly right in view of the fact that the racist former administration sabotaged any chance of an orderly exist for US allies?
Is Troye lying and the visa program was working as intended, not sabotaged?
By sabotaging the visa program, were racists in the federal government, including the ex-president, who sabotaged the visa program acting in good faith as responsible leaders, or were they conducting an immoral deep state operation to hide the truth of their animosity to non-White immigrants, even ones who risked their lives in service to the US military mission in Afghanistan?
Is it fair or accurate to call the ex-president and people like Steven Miller racist or liars?
Is it fair or accurate to see Steven Miller as a radical Christian nationalist bigot working quietly to advance the bigoted Christian nationalist agenda of power and wealth transfer to elite White Christians, advancing White supremacy, and advancing fundamentalist Christianity and Christian rule based on a Biblical worldview and Biblical law, i.e., Christian Sharia law?
The Origins Myths of the Christian Right, is chapter 5 of Sarah Posner's 2020 book Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Donald Trump. It covers a lot more than just the origin lies that Christian nationalism relies on to deceive its followers, the American people, federal courts and the federal government generally. This chapter is more documentation of the lying deceit and hate that American fundamental Christianity needs to survive and grow in power and wealth. This political movement is definitely bottom feeder. Its key goals are (1) legalizing support for overwhelming power and wealth for White Christians, and (2) ferociously defending and expanding access of anti-secular, anti-civil liberties White Christian fundamentalism to virtually unbounded amounts of tax dollars.
Power, wealth and intolerant, anti-democratic rule are key goals. The vehicle is sacred Christian religious dogma based on what fundamentalist White Christian nationalist elites tell the rank and file what God's sacred dogma is. All of the key elites are frauds, liars, sexual predators and/or dark ages brutes. From what I can tell, some of them might actually believe they are actual Christians.
Paul Weyrich
Arguably one of the foremost Christian nationalist toxins is Paul Weyrich (1942-2008), a radical far right Catholic and a key architect of the antiestablishment New Right he started in the 1970s. He co-founded the conservative think tanks The Heritage Foundation, the Free Congress Foundation, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), and the Republican Study Committee, a powerful group focused on RINO hunting ideologically impure apostates out of the Republican Party. Tolerance is not part of the Weyrich mindset, just as the case for the modern fascist Republican Party. He coined the term "moral majority," the name of the political action group Moral Majority that he and Jerry Falwell co-founded in 1979. The Weyrich toxin is powerful and heavily grounded in the White Christian persecution myth. Among a slew of other things that most Americans at least used to support, Weyrich hates elections and majority rule.
Posner writes about deceitful and divisive propaganda and rhetorical techniques of the New Right: “From his early days in Washington, Weyrich was well-versed in propagating the rhetoric of White grievance. .... ‘Opposition to busing does not mean opposition to civil rights’ .... ‘Forced bussing is a step backwards in the whole civil rights picture.’”
In other words, Weyrich and his associates posited that civil liberties laws were misguided because ending racism was entirely a matter of individuals and government had no role in it. Of course, that left government, society and commerce completely free to be racist, sexist and bigoted in any ways it choose. That, along with crippling democracy and the rule of law, is a core goal of the current Christian nationalist movement.
Posner commented that the New Right strongly objected to the old, now deposed, conservative Republican elites who were too focused on free markets and foreign policy. New Right Christian nationalism was focused on moral, cultural and religious issues, prominently including the family structure, and male and White dominance. Weyrich wrote in a 1982 essay that “culturally destructive policies” such as “racial hiring quotas and busing” because “the damage they can do is enormous and practically irremediable.”
For Weyrich, vehement opposition to abortion what mostly drove him early on. After the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, Weyrich advised Catholic bishops to “adopt a program that will make the abortion a hot enough political question that is it viewed as a key issue by nearly every congressman.” He wanted a constitutional amendment banning abortion. In there early days, Evangelicals had no strong consensus about abortion. By the 1980's Weyrich and his adherents managed to change that.
Christian propaganda myth 1: Abortion
To help drag previously reluctant Evangelicals into radical Christian nationalism, master liars like Weyrich concocted and spread a myth that Jerry Falwell was politicized into supporting the New Right by the Roe decision and the abortion issue. That was a lie that even the MSM was duped into believing and repeating in print and on the air. Falwell’s grievance was not abortion, it was civil rights. But no matter, it was important in nudging more and more Evangelicals into radical right, anti-secular Christian fundamentalism. On civil rights Falwell’s beliefs were well known. He saw the 1964 Civil Rights Act as “a terrible violation of human and private property rights.” That reflected at least as much a commitment to segregation and laisse-faire capitalism as to fundamentalist White Christian nationalism.
Over time, the wily lying propagandist minnow Weyrich trapped and swallowed the whale Falwell by his skill at deceit and guile. Most of the rest of American Evangelical Christianity eventually fell in line and remains there to this day.
Christian propaganda myth 2: Deadly Christian persecution by a secular federal government
This lie was the real deal clincher for a lot rabid, haters of civil liberties and seccular government. The lie was that the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) was going to close Christian schools using the excuse that some discriminated against accepting racial minorities as students. In a speech Weyrich stated that this was the issue that pushed Evangelicals “into a final awareness.” Awareness of what? The evil of secular government, pluralism, public education, civil liberties, segregation and the like.
The truth is that the IRS never had any such plan. Instead the IRS sent letters to some private Christian schools warning them that if they discriminated on the basis of race, they faced possible loss of their tax exempt status, not closure of the school. All the schools had to do was sign a form stating that the school would not discriminate on the basis of race. A few, 110 out of about 3,500, refused and they lost their tax exempt status. The IRS policy was in line with court decisions holding that tax exemptions were not compatible with racial discrimination. Despite that truth, liars like Weyrich claimed this was an all out assault on Christianity by the federal government and secular civil liberties. Christians were taught and learned to hate and distrust the federal government, civil liberties, public education, secularism and inconvenient facts and truths. Christians also learned that they were under severe oppression and attack by the federal government, liberals, public education, secularism, and Godless immorality.
Rev. Bob Billings; Rev. Jack Hyles
Billings: Two other colorful but sleazy characters merit some mention. Billings was a key driver of private Christian education. He firmly believed in and advocated for teaching of creationism and Biblican corporal punishment, using the “rod of correction” to drive “foolishness” out of naughty children. Over time Billings rose to power as a federal bureaucrat in the Reagan administration. He fought hard and dirty, i.e., lies, deceit, irrational emotional manipulation, etc., against segregation of tax-subsidized private schools. Billings was astute enough to avoid racist appeals. Instead, his propaganda and lies turned to vilifying the political left.
As an educator in private religious schools, Billings taught that the White majority was besieged and oppressed by minority rights. He complained in writing about minorities that were demanding their rights. He railed against “false philosophies” being taught in classrooms while “old fashioned Americanism and Christianity” were excluded.
Billing’s Christian love manifested itself as strictly limiting student admission to Christian schools. Students with an IQ under 90 were unacceptable. Ones with a “Christian indoctrination” were required, while those who “show by their clothes, language, actions and hair-dos that they have left the way of righteousness, humility and righteousness” were unacceptable. Children who were “emotionally disturbed .... should never be admitted to the Christian classroom unless the teacher has faith to believe that the disturbing emotions and their influences will quickly be nullified.”
Billings was a fraud. He claimed to have a PhD from the Clarksville School of Theology in Tennessee. While he was in Reagan’s Department of Education, someone figured out that Clarksville Tennessee state authorities had shut the school down because it was a diploma mill. The state of Tennessee determined that the faux school issued “false and misleading educational credentials.” The modern Republican Party and Evangelical contempt for real education and actual expertise predates T**** by decades. That is a core faith of both the modern Christian nationalism and the heavily overlapping fascist Republican Party.
Hyles: Hyles was a Baptist educator who taught at religious schools. He founded Hyles-Anderson college in 1972. He was a hard core racist and rejected civil rights: “You can no more legislate people to love Negroes than you can cut the moon in pieces and have it for lunch. .... [he saw public schools as] cesspools .... [of] sordid, wicked communist [infiltration].” Hyles urged people to attend his school even if they needed to get second jobs to pay the tuition for his school where “clean-cut, dedicated kids sit at the feet of cultured, fine, educated Godly people who believe the Bible.” He preferred that his son go to Vietnam because “I’d rather him die for freedom than be taught filth and rot by folks [at Indiana University] trying to destroy freedom.”
Questions: So, what do you think -- is that mostly hyperbole and/or lies or mostly not, or is it mostly unclear?
Can a determined minority of radical religious fundamentalist ideologues working diligently and ruthlessly for decades eventually take control of the US government and bend the law to accord with its ideology and vision for American society?
Given the open contempt and hate that Christian nationalism holds for out groups such as atheists (including me), and the LGBQT community in, is it reasonable to be nice with them, start playing hard ball, or take another approach?
Should intolerant or bigoted Christian schools, or any Christian schools, be accorded the gracious privilege of the generous tax subsidies they now enjoy at everyone’s expense?