Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Tuesday, September 5, 2023

News flash (in the pants): USSC decides to hear case on whether the 14th A bars Trump from office

John Castro
(for real?)

The legal debate about whether or not former President Donald Trump should be allowed to appear on the 2024 ballot has made its way before the Supreme Court.

The court distributed John Castro v. Donald Trump to the justices for conference on Wednesday ahead of the upcoming term, which will begin on October 2. Conference is to take place on September 26 and the case is expected to be decided on or before October 9.

Castro, a tax attorney running for the Republican nomination next year, sent his petition to the Supreme Court last month, asking the justices to answer whether political candidates can challenge the eligibility of another candidate of the same party running for the same nomination "based on a political competitive injury in the form a diminution of votes."

The lawsuit is seeking to argue that Trump should not be allowed to run for the White House based on section three of the 14th Amendment, which disqualifies individuals from holding public office if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States. While Trump has not been charged with insurrection, Castro is pointing to Trump's role in the January 6 Capitol riot.
This is strange. If the USSC (US Supreme Court) wanted to punt they could have denied standing and just tossed the case out. A lower court has already done that, arguing the people who filed that lawsuit were not damaged by Trump running again. 

This case is different because Castro is running for president and he argues tangible damages will be in the form of votes lost to Trump if he is allowed to run for president. That damages argument just might be enough to force the court to hear the case instead of punting on it and running away as is probably the case.

Dang, this one could be an actual game changer, assuming this is for real (not a hoax I just fell for).

Naturally, Trump is on the attack against 14th Amendment challenges:
"Like Election Interference, it is just another 'trick' being used by the Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, to again steal an Election that their candidate, the WORST, MOST INCOMPETENT, & MOST CORRUPT President in U.S. history, is incapable of winning in a Free and Fair Election. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"
Those darned Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists are up to no good again. Unleash the KRAKEN!

Bits: Thoughts on the radical right; The radical right's Project 2025

For a while, the ARRRP (authoritarian radical right Republican Party) has been open about its hostility to democracy and civil liberties. When the MSM, pundits and others call the ARRRP conservative, I often try to point out (when I can) that America's political right isn't conservative any more. It has become radical, corrupt and authoritarian. It usually rejects and denies inconvenient fact, true truth and sound reasoning. It is clearly opposed to democracy, the rule of law, and civil liberties. That the MSM continues to refer to the ARRRP as conservative constitutes a major failing.

At time passes, I see a slow trickle of others starting to see what I have been seeing since some time in  2017. This change in mindset by the radical right is not new, but in the past it was always denied or downplayed into something allegedly benign and pro-democracy. In the last year or two, the denials from ARRRP propagandists and elites are weakening in view of how obviously false denying this truth is. We know what the ARRRP degenerated into and the radical right knows we know it. More people are starting to say that Emperor is butt naked. So instead of calling the US a democracy, the radical right movement is starting to say the US is a constitutional republic or something else so that the concept of voting can be neutered and killed by the authoritarians who want to establish a corrupt tyranny of some sort.

This video at ~17:48 - 20:07 makes the same argument I am making, the ARRRP is not democratic or conservative. It is radical, authoritarian and anti-democratic.


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America's radical right is locked onto Trump winning the election in 2024 and then sending in hoards of authoritarian extremists to dismantle the federal government and turn it into a vast corruption machine to serve elites and their interests. Project 2025 is right out in the open. Salon writes:
Dark” right-wing network recruits MAGA “army to replace 
50K federal workers Trump plans to purge

Project 2025 is extremists' newest plan to set fire to our democracy, watchdog group warns

A network of conservative groups is gearing up for the potential reelection of Donald Trump, actively enlisting an "army" of Americans to come to Washington with a mission to disassemble the federal government and substitute it with a vision that aligns more closely with their own beliefs and ideas, according to The Associated Press.

Organized by the Heritage Foundation, the sweeping new initiative called Project 2025, offers a policy agenda, transition plan, a playbook for the first 180 days and a personnel database for the next GOP president to access from the very beginning to take control, reform, and eliminate what Republicans criticize as the "deep state" bureaucracy. Their plan includes the possibility of firing as many as 50,000 federal employees.

Democracy experts view Project 2025 as an authoritarian attempt to seize power by filling the federal government, including the Department of Justice and the FBI, with unwavering Trump supporters, which could potentially erode the country's system of checks and balances.  
“The irony of course is that in the name of 'draining the swamp', it creates opportunities to make the federal government actually quite corrupt and turn the country into a more authoritarian kind of government,” Matt Dallek, a professor at George Washington's Graduate School of Political Management, who studies the American right, told Salon.
Salon asserts incorrectly that unwavering Trump supporters, which could potentially erode the country's system of checks and balances. Unwavering Trump supporters in the federal government absolutely will erode the country's system of checks and balances. We have already see the massive damage that four years of Trump in office caused. There is no reason whatsoever to think the next four will not be a lot worse. 

As usual, the mainstream media continues to completely fail to see the massive authoritarian threat in front of its eyes. 

This is just another garden variety warning from Germaine about what America's deeply corrupt, radical right authoritarians intend to do once they get back in power.

Qs: How can the MSM still be so shockingly blind? Is it stupidity? Ignorance? Sympathy for corrupt authoritarianism?, Subversion by corporate ownership and the profit motive? Some combination of all of that? Or, is this nothing to be concerned about because it's just a mole hill?


Looking for utterly corrupt, Trump loyalist authoritarians
-- other qualifications, if any, are secondary





1. Assemble an army of radical extremists
2. Start deconstructing the administrative 
state on Day One

Monday, September 4, 2023

News bits: Climate change damage watch; Radioactive feral pigs; GOP rot watch; Human pollution watch

A WaPo article discusses the retreat of major insurance companies from exposure to global warming-related disasters:
In the aftermath of extreme weather events, major insurers are increasingly no longer offering coverage that homeowners in areas vulnerable to those disasters need most.

At least five large U.S. property insurers — including Allstate, American Family, Nationwide, Erie Insurance Group and Berkshire Hathaway — have told regulators that extreme weather patterns caused by climate change have led them to stop writing coverages in some regions, exclude protections from various weather events and raise monthly premiums and deductibles.

Insurance providers are also more willing to drop existing policies in some locales as they become more vulnerable to natural disasters. Most home insurance coverages are annual terms, so providers are not bound to them for more than one year.

In its response to the regulators’ survey, Nationwide said it no longer underwrites coverage for “properties within a certain distance to the coastline” because of hurricane potential.

It's not clear what the impacts of this will be. As capitalists withdraw, competent government can step in. If government does it competently, it can potentially undercut the private sector. Maybe that's a good thing because there is reason to believe that the capitalists take too much for what they deliver. This is an opportunity to set the public and private sectors against each other to see who can provide  the best at the lowest cost. 

Of course, the foregoing assumes competence in government. The last thing the authoritarian radical right Republican Party wants to see is competent governance. That undercuts their entire platform of hate of government due to its alleged incompetence. These days that is often or usually significantly associated with GOP sabotage of government operations. Time will tell how this fascinating story plays out.
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Foreground: Pig snout
Elsewhere: Other stuff

The WaPo reports that scientists have finally figured out why feral pigs in Germany and Austria are so tasty but highly radioactive:
On April 26, 1986, the infamous explosion at a Chernobyl nuclear power plant unleashed large amounts of radiation into the atmosphere, an event that contaminated wildlife across country lines. The radiation levels seen in animals as a result has decreased in recent years — with the exception of one animal: the wild boar.

For years, scientists questioned why levels of a radioactive isotope known as cesium-137 have remained surprisingly high in wild boars rooting around Germany and Austria, while decreasing in other deer and roe deer. In a new study released last week, a team of researchers finally solved this “wild boar paradox.” They uncovered that the main radioactive source is not the Chernobyl accident but nuclear weapons testing from the 1960s.  
In the new research, Steinhauser and his colleagues took a step back and reinvestigated the amount and origin of cesium in wild boars. Working with hunters collecting wild boar meat across southern Germany, they measured cesium levels with a gamma-ray detector.

Radioactive cesium results from both nuclear weapons explosion and nuclear energy production. The element comes in different isotopic composition, cesium-135 and cesium-137, depending on the source. By analyzing the ratio of these amounts, the researchers can pinpoint the source of the radiation. From previous literature, the team knew a higher ratio of cesium-137 indicated a nuclear weapons explosion but a lower ratio is linked with nuclear reactors.
Baby radioactive pigs rooting around for food
(aw, they're so cute)

The article goes on to point out that Chernobyl is still relevant, but nuclear blasts from the 1960s surprised the scientists. One potential problem is that hot cesium from Chernobyl could still increase in wild mushrooms, which wild piggies love to scarf down. That could make glow-in-the-dark hogs* even brighter.

* Just kidding. Don't get excited. They don't glow in the dark.

Germaine's usual Sunday morning rasher 
of crispy bacon for a hearty breakfast
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In Texas, radical right authoritarians are mounting a ferocious propaganda campaign to save the state's shockingly corrupt former attorney general Ken Paxton from being removed from office. The fight is at the core of what the radical elites want to see in a new kind of GOP. Specifically, what they want to see is more far more corruption, more aggression and a lot less social tolerance and democracy. The NYT reports:
With television ads and text messages, direct mail and billboards, supporters of the embattled Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, have embarked on an escalating campaign of political pressure, backed by hard-right billionaires, aimed at trying to sway the outcome of Mr. Paxton’s upcoming impeachment trial.

But the effort to save Mr. Paxton, who is seen by many hard-core conservatives as their legal standard-bearer, is also the latest proxy in the broader fight over the future direction of the party, both in Texas and nationally.

It has drawn in a range of conservative figures on both sides, with Rick Perry, the former Texas governor, and Karl Rove, the political consultant to former President George W. Bush, arguing in support of the impeachment process, and Steve Bannon, the former Trump political adviser, lampooning it as a Democrat-inspired witch hunt.

“We want the entire MAGA movement to understand that what’s going on in Texas is not just about Texas,” Mr. Bannon told his podcast audience this month.
Steve Bannon's method of fighting for tyranny and kleptocracy is simple but effective: Flood the zone with shit! Or as Vox put it a few years back“Flood the zone with shit”: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy -- The impeachment trial didn’t change any minds. Here’s why.

This is the ghastly face of the MAGA wing of the modern radical right Republican Party. An arrogant, corrupt criminal like Ken Paxton is seen as the GOP's legal standard bearer by authoritarian billionaire elites. 

Meanwhile, a small group of loyal Republican foot soldiers in Florida protested at Disney -- they hate LGBQT people and etc.

Not protesting in support of Joe Biden or 
pluralist democracy 





"This is just the beginning"
VOTE MAGA!!

(Oh goody, I can't wait to have a self-righteous
Nazi freak shove a gun barrel up my 
nostril and demand loyalty or die)
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It's time to face the unpleasant reality. Humans, in their collective greed, arrogance, ignorance and shocking stupidity are toxic pollution. A WaPo article makes the point nicely (free article, not behind a paywall):
Invasive species are costing the world more than $423 billion a year

Invasive pests are wreaking havoc across the planet, destroying crops, disseminating pathogens, depleting fish people rely on for food and driving native plants and animals toward extinction, according to a major report backed by the United Nations.

The landmark assessment found more than 3,500 harmful invasive species cost society more than $423 billion a year, a tally only expected to grow as the modern age of global trade and travel continues to supercharge the spread of plants and animals across continents like never before.

“One of the things that we stress that really is the tremendous threat this does pose to — and I know this is going to sound grandiose — but to human civilization,” said Peter Stoett, an Ontario Tech University professor who helped lead a group of about seven dozen experts in writing the report.

The spread of plants and animals between continents is one of the main causes of Earth’s ongoing biodiversity crisis, an extinction event on par with the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Invasive species are playing a role in 60 percent of extinctions, according to the report.

The lovely, innocent South American water hyacinth:
A free-floating plant that grows so quickly that it can cover entire ponds and lakes, leaving a matted mess that impedes boat traffic and fishing. In some cases, the plants suck up so much water that they render lakes dry and leave communities without drinking water. The report deemed the water hyacinth, which is popping up everywhere from Africa to Australia, the most widespread invasive plant on Earth.

In addition to invasive species, the other four key drivers of extinction are climate change, habitat destruction, pollution and direct exploitation of species, with a million plants and animals at risk of vanishing for good.

Global warming is poised to make the problem of invasive pests worse by enabling animals such as tropical fire ants to march north into higher latitudes.
Well now, that's sobering. 😨

Saturday, September 2, 2023

Thoughts about the intelligence of the public

This post, bee in the bonnet actually, was triggered by some comments milo made yesterday. 

milo


Ears of the other milo
 
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public. -- attributed to American author and social critic H. L. Mencken (1880–1956) but not found exactly verbatim in his published works, so the source and original form of this expression are not known with absolute certainty

The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably untrue. It is the chief occupation of mankind. -- H.L. Mencken

Well, what about that? Right? Not right? Not sure? Don't understand the question?

Let's reframe the question, just for fun. The framing of the issue above is by people who think or do know they know how to fool lots of people. Yeah, Mencken thought he could see people. That was only partly true. There really are some people who make their living by deceiving and irrationally emotionally manipulating the public. That business sector that does that is called public relations. The biblical admonition thou shalt not lie is basically 100% irrelevant to those people and businesses. Their paychecks and return on investments depend on lying. If they are not good liars, they are out of jobs. But what if the Bible got it right about lying and it really is a deeply bad and immoral thing to do to people?

So, how about framing it like this: 

1. (social science:) “.... cherished ideas and judgments we bring to politics are stereotypes and simplifications with little room for adjustment as the facts change. .... the real environment is altogether too big, too complex, and too fleeting for direct acquaintance. We are not equipped to deal with so much subtlety, so much variety, so many permutations and combinations. Although we have to act in that environment, we have to reconstruct it on a simpler model before we can manage it.”

2. (reasoning:) By evolution of what it is to be human, we are susceptible to some variable degree to liars, deceivers, emotional manipulators and crackpots who apply flawed, usually self-serving reasoning, lies and slanders to political issues, business, and religion, the goal usually being accumulation of wealth and/or power, usually at other people's and interest's expense.

3. (therefore:) The elites and people who know better who lie, crackpot and emotionally manipulate are more culpable of bad or evil than the people they have deceived, manipulated and betrayed.

Over the years I've posted my opinion about who is more to blame for false and irrational beliefs in politics, the deceivers or the deceived. Most recently for America's radical right, roughly Trump supporters, this feels about right:
~55% elite propagandist deceivers & politicians
~45% rank and file deceived 

But now on rethinking this yet again, I reassess the culpability analysis for America's radical right:
~60-65% elite propagandist deceivers & politicians
~35% rank and file deceived, 40% when they have the information to know better 

Why give less culpability to regular people? A couple of reasons. First, when Reagan was shot, his shooter was accorded some leniency because he was considered to be mentally impaired. After that, the laws were changed to make a mental impairment defense essentially impossible. But the underlying fact of the human condition did not change. Only the politics changed. Humans are still just as fallible, flawed or sometimes mentally ill. But changes in the law like that reinforce the idea of the primacy of human intelligence and reason, despite little or nothing having changed about the human condition in millennia.

Second, look at how deceitful and crackpot modern radical right and other politics has become. Average people cannot know truth when it is being hidden. The burden should be on people who know truth to speak truth. Americans can't handle truth very well because they have been shielded from it by much of the political left, right, and the business and religious communities.
I do not myself believe that many people do things because they think they are the right thing to do . . . . I do not think that knowledge of what is morally right is motivational in any serious sense for anyone except a handful of saints. Federal judge Richard Posner, referring to the power of social situations to compel behavior

I find it difficult now to identify the motives for many things I have done . . . . I do not have a good answer to the question of my own behavior . . . . My memory has a strange way of selecting its contents. George Stigler, Nobel laureate, regulatory capture theorist, commenting on how the human mind deals with and distorts reality and logic
I am now impressed with the role of power in economic life - and with the great if largely innocent service of the conventional economic instruction in concealing it . . . . [The modern business firm's] influence and power extend to politicians, Presidents and the Pentagon. This power would be much more remarked and resisted were it not for the social conditioning of economics and its instruction. The latter contends that all producers-all business firms and corporations, from the smallest to the largest, from the corner drugstore to Exxon and General Motors - are substantially subordinate to the impersonal authority of the market. So matters are presented in all reputable economic discussion . . . . Power is much enjoyed, and its economic and political exercise can also be pleasingly remunerative. Nothing serves it better than a theology that disguises its exercise. -- John Kenneth Galbraith, commenting on the amazing difficulty people have when trying to see how power subtly works in politics

So, is the American public unreasonably dumb, deceived, too lazy to get the information that is being withheld from them, just being normal, and/or some other thing(s)?

For context, NPR aired a segment yesterday about CPCs (crisis pregnancy centers). Those are places in poor neighborhoods staffed by religious Christian fanatics. They claim to provide medical and pregnancy-related services, but that is a gigantic lie. The whole point of the existence of CPCs is to con, cajole, scare, shame, pressure and/or lie to stop frightened poor women from getting an abortion. The entire CPC industry is built on lies and deceit. Worse, some of the funding (maybe ~5-10%?) for CPCs is stolen by corrupt politicians in state governments.* Those corrupt politicians siphon some federal tax dollars to CPCs. So, you and I get to help fund an industry built entirely on Christian liars and their immoral or evil lies. The CPC industry is now a major focus of the post-Roe v. Wade Christian nationalist attack on civil liberties that God disapproves of.

 * The rest of the money comes from private donors, some of whom anonymously donate large amounts of cash to keep Christian liar business operations going.

Friday, September 1, 2023

News bits: Prosecutor asks for immediate whacking of DJT; 14th A, Sec. 3 is for real?; Car ride for a cow

Egads, there's a mountain of undisputed evidence in the case! This is from the prosecutor in DJT's New York business fraud case. I thought this was the weakest of the four indictments. Apparently the prosecutor believes the case is strong enough to move for summary judgment! PBS reports:
New York’s attorney general says a judge doesn’t need to wait until an October trial in her civil lawsuit against former President Donald Trump to rule that he committed fraud while building his real estate empire.

In court papers made public Wednesday, Attorney General Letitia James urged Judge Arthur Engoron to issue an immediate verdict endorsing her claim that Trump and his company defrauded banks and business associates by lying on financial statements about his wealth and the value of his assets.

Engoron has scheduled a Sept. 22 hearing on James’ request. Her lawsuit, which seeks $250 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York, is scheduled to go to trial Oct. 2 in state court in Manhattan.

To rule, Engoron needs only to answer two questions, James’ office argued: whether Trump’s annual financial statements were false or misleading, and whether he and the Trump Organization used those statements while conducting business transactions.

“The answer to both questions is a resounding ‘yes’ based on the mountain of undisputed evidence” in the case, James’ special litigation counsel Andrew Amer said in a 100-page summary judgment motion.

Based on that, Amer argued, no trial is required to determine that Trump, the Trump Organization, and other defendants, “presented grossly and materially inflated asset values” in the financial statements and then used those statements “repeatedly in business transactions to defraud banks and insurers.”

“At the end of the day this is a documents case, and the documents leave no shred of doubt that Mr. Trump’s (statements of financial condition) do not even remotely reflect the ‘estimated current value’ of his assets as they would trade between well-informed market participants,” Amer wrote.  
In seeking summary judgment on the fraud claim, James’ office pointed to evidence that shows Trump inflated his net worth by up to 39%, or more than $2 billion, in some years. James’ office said Trump’s “blatant and obvious deceptive practices” included wildly overstating the size and value of his homes in Florida and New York, marking up the value of unsold condominiums and rental space, and claiming he could do more with certain land that allowed — like building more homes on his Scottish golf course that the local government had approved.

Well dang! Now we see why those businesses who committed sleaze DJT wanted the evidence sealed and kept from the public. DJT and everybody involved his was a big steaming pile of lying, rotted criminal guts.

Now I'm starting to think that maybe, maybe probably, DJT might really get his ass kicked in the courts. Nah, that's too good to be true.

Disgruntled citizen
And, he's not wrong
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A month or so ago, two lawyers associated with the powerful, anti-democratic radical right Federalist Society wrote a legal analysis of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. They concluded that the constitution prohibits DJT from running for president again. 
Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.  
Summary of relevant bits: No president (DJT) who previously took an oath to support the constitution of the United States (which DJT did), engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the constitution (which DJT also did), or gave aid or comfort to the enemies thereof (he did that too). 
Although the legal argument seemed sound, I immediately dismissed it. First, laws like this often aren't applied against rich or powerful people. Second, the analysis felt like a Federalist Society publicity stunt to make the organization look less authoritarian than it actually is. But in recent weeks, lawsuits have been threatened in several states to force DJT off the ballot. PBS repports:
Liberal groups seek to use the 14th Amendment to block Trump from 2024 ballots
  
The 14th Amendment bars from office anyone who once took an oath to uphold the Constitution but then “engaged” in “insurrection or rebellion” against it. A growing number of legal scholars say the post-Civil War clause applies to Trump after his role in trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election and encouraging his backers to storm the U.S. Capitol.

Two liberal nonprofits pledge court challenges should states’ election officers place Trump on the ballot despite those objections.

The effort is likely to trigger a chain of lawsuits and appeals across several states that ultimately would lead to the U.S. Supreme Court, possibly in the midst of the 2024 primary season. The matter adds even more potential legal chaos to a nomination process already roiled by the front-runner facing four criminal trials.

In 2021, the nonprofit Free Speech For People sent letters to the top election official in all 50 states requesting Trump’s removal if he were to run again for the presidency. The group’s legal director, Ron Fein, noted that after years of silence, officials are beginning to discuss the matter.

“The framers of the 14th Amendment learned the bloody lesson that, once an oath-breaking insurrectionist engages in insurrection, they can’t be trusted to return to power,” Fein said.

Ahead of the 2022 midterms, the group sued to remove U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene and then-Rep. Madison Cawthorn, both Republicans, from the ballot over their support for the Jan. 6 protest. The judge overseeing Greene’s case ruled in her favor, while Cawthorn’s case became moot after he was defeated in his primary.
That a judge ruled in favor of MTG exemplifies why some people (e.g., me) are skeptical about the rule of law applying to rich or powerful people. Maybe there more to this than I initially thought. Time will tell if this is just a mole hill or something a lot bigger. It still seems more like a mole hill than anything else.
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Everyone is reporting about Howdy Doody the cow that got a car ride. The cow is big.


In Norfolk Nebraska, pop. ~24,000, police stopped the driver of the car because they thought it was unsafe to be tootling abound town with a big cow in the car. Since the cow was too big to take to the dog pound, police asked the man to dive his cow home and put it away.

Howdy Doody examining the horns
mounted on the front of the car

Thursday, August 31, 2023

Interesting observations between two brothers

 So, those who attend my forum, know that my brother came a-visiting this past week. We wanted to avoid talking politics but did get into a few political discussions.

Since leaving "home" last year to move to Canada, I find myself somewhat removed (though not totally removed) from American politics.

I mentioned this to my brother and he informed me that things have gone sour back "home" in Minny as well.

How so? I asked.

He told me that practically everyone he knows, from friends to neighbors, are SO FED UP with partisan politics that they have started to tune out.

I asked him, doesn't this create a danger for the 2024 elections?

He didn't know the answer to THAT question, but suspects a lot of people might just avoid voting in 2024.

With passion running rampant across the political spectrum, I have my doubts, I believe people WILL VOTE. BUT............ back to this concern that people are tuning out.

From YOUR observations, does my brother have a point? His argument was that people are really really tired of hearing about Trump, or what is wrong with Biden, and are really really fed up about NOT hearing enough about policy. It's all the Dems are the bad guys or the Repubs are the bad guys.

Everyone calling everyone on the other side names. He insists, that were I to return to our home town for a spell, I would notice the difference myself. People just don't want to talk politics. They are ANGRY at both sides AND at the media from both sides for doing nothing but riling people up.

I know I have become a bit removed from it all because of where I live now, BUT AGAIN, could my brother be right? FROM YOUR OBSERVATIONS - are Americans tuning out?