Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Wednesday, March 20, 2024

News bits: MAGA profiles in cowardice; DJT & weaseling out; Musk’s free speech hypocrisy

A WaPo article reports about an Arizona state senator who had a non-viable pregnancy and had to get an abortion. She and her husband decided to tell the legislature her story of non-viable pregnancies so they could get a feel of the impact of forced birth laws. The WaPo writes:
On Monday, she shared her story in a 10-minute speech on the Senate floor. Voice shaking, Burch told her colleagues that she’d visited a clinic on Friday where she was given an invasive ultrasound and counseling on alternatives to abortion, despite already knowing her pregnancy was not viable. Required under Arizona law, those experiences, Burch said in the speech, were “cruel.”

While Burch held the microphone, a few of her Democratic colleagues stood behind her in a show of support. She said she could see some GOP senators leaving the chamber.  
On the Senate floor, Burch described the protocol mandated by state law as interfering in what she believed to be the “safest and most appropriate treatment for me.” She said she was forced to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound that she did not want and was then told about alternatives including parenting and adoption that did not apply to her situation.
There we have it. Some MAGA TTKP (Trump Tyranny & Kleptocracy Party) legislators have neither the guts nor respect to listen to what their infallible, God-sanctioned, blunderbuss forced birth laws force women to endure. Gutless pussies.
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The Hill reports about DJT’s increasingly desperate blither about having to cough up the dough: 
[DJT] argued Tuesday he would have to take extreme measures in order to pay a $464 million bond due next week in his New York civil fraud case, such as selling some of his properties for cheap “fire sale” prices.

“Judge Engoron actually wants me to put up Hundreds of Millions of Dollars for the Right to Appeal his ridiculous decision. In other words, he is trying to take my Appellate Rights away from me,” Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social platform Tuesday morning. “Nobody has ever heard of anything like this before.”

“I would be forced to mortgage or sell Great Assets, perhaps at Fire Sale prices, and if and when I win the Appeal, they would be gone. Does that make sense? WITCH HUNT. ELECTION INTERFERENCE!”
It will be interesting to see how DJT weasels out of this predicament somehow. What are the odds he slithers away with his cash pile mostly intact? Not sure. My guess, ~50%.
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Elon Musk’s X bans transgender Harvard lawyer for naming a neo-Nazi
Alejandra Caraballo, a transgender attorney and clinical instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic, has been permanently ban from X (formerly Twitter) for amplifying news of an alleged neo-Nazi’s identity, adding to questions about the platform’s stance on content moderation under Elon Musk’s ownership. The development has fueled ongoing discussions around free speech, hate speech, and the treatment of far-right ideologies on the platform.

The extremist, who produces comic illustrations under the name StoneToss, was allegedly unmasked to be a former security guard and IT worker from Texas by a group of activists, Anonymous Comrades Collective and Late-Night Anti-Fascists, on March 12. Critics note that StoneToss’s content is often anti-Semitic, transphobic, racist, homophobic, and otherwise bigoted.  
Another X user criticized the platform’s decision, writing, “Alejandra Caraballo @Esqueer_ has been suspended again, this time indefinitely for talking about publicly available information naming a Nazi. X is going full fascist. There is only freedom of speech if Elon agrees with you.”
I have said it many times here, radical right authoritarians are not fazed one iota by blatant hypocrisy and double standards. Musk is a blatant free speech hypocrite.
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Christian nationalist hate speech & lies: Meidas Touch News reports about hate speech and lies from radical theocrat and US senator Tommy Tuberville:
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) told a gathering of GOP delegates in Utah on Friday at a Bluffdale warehouse that the U.S. is losing kids to a "satanic cult." The comments came as Tuberville was campaigning for Trent Staggs, a MAGA candidate for Senate to fill the seat being vacated by Sen. Mitt Romney.

"I’ve traveled all over the country...all 50 states. I’ve been in some good places and bad places. The one thing I saw, we are losing our kids to a satanic cult...we better start growing forces, and get together, and start fighting back against these socialist Democrats that are going to try and turn us into communists."

The only evidence Tuberville could provide for the existence of such a cult was the trans-rights movement in the United States.

"There’s not one Democrat that can tell you they stand up for God...when they look me in the eyes and say 'ok, we believe that boys should be able to participate in girls' sports. We believe that a man can have a baby.' I want you to think about what I just said," Tuberville said to boos and laughs from the crowd.

Tuberville also took the occasion to sow doubt in law enforcement and the criminal justice system, calling the January 6 insurrectionists "innocent," and saying that law enforcement would only arrest patriotic Americans and not actual criminals. “We’ve lost our Department of Justice. In most of the country, we don’t have a criminal justice system anymore. Nobody goes to jail, unless you’re an innocent person that really loves this country, then they’ll put you in jail. We have never overcome a cult like we’re dealing with right now.”
This hate and flagrant, shameless lying and insulting disrespect is from a sitting US senator. This is what politics in bad faith and ill-will looks like.








Tuesday, March 19, 2024

The Postcolonial Left's Blindness to Islamic Homophobia

 



Islamic homophobia is an issue that goes beyond terrorist groups like Hamas. While the Quran’s language regarding homosexual and bisexual behavior is somewhat ambiguous, the hadiths, the canonical sayings and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, contain many straight forward prohibitions. In practice, this results in both official and extrajudicial persecution of LGBT people throughout the Muslim world. LGBT Palestinians face extreme ostracism, are sometimes forced to flee as refugees, and even risk being kidnapped and beheaded. The authorities also ban the activities of LGBT rights groups. And it isn’t just LGBT Palestinians who are oppressed by Hamas in Gaza. The oppression of women is an intrinsic feature of Sharia law. Human rights researchers rank the Palestinian territories among the worst places in the world to be a woman. For Western activists ostensibly concerned about marginalized groups to effectively support Hamas's continued rule over Gaza and to deny Israel the right to self-defense against the terrorist organization is hypocritical in the extreme.

The leftist claim that British imperialism is to blame for the present-day Islamic homophobia is quickly debunked by comparing how LGBT people are treated in Gaza versus how they were treated in Britain last century. True, same-sex behavior was once criminal in the UK, but that law was repealed in 1967. Some LGBT individuals were persecuted by the British government in the recent past—most famously Alan Turing, who was chemically castrated and subsequently committed suicide. This is deeply shameful. But no one was strung up on a crane or had his head sawn off for having sex with another man. The oppression LGBT people face in Gaza is not the result of Hamas helplessly following the century-old statutes of the defunct British Empire.

The land that today encompasses Israel and the Palestinian territories was controlled by the British from 1918 until 1948. The British attempted to create two states, one for Israelis and one for Palestinians, but the Palestinians rejected the proposal. As a result, the British turned one of the states over to the Israelis, who promptly faced a war from seven different Arab countries and territories—a war which they won. 

https://quillette.com/blog/2023/11/15/why-a-gay-man-is-downplaying-the-worlds-most-vicious-homophobia/






Facts? Meh…

 

 

I watched an old Star Trek Voyager show about a week ago.  Season 4 Episode 23, “Living Witness” 

The plot was about how things we think we know about (in history) may not have happened exactly as portrayed.  No big surprise there.  Unless we personally witness something ourselves, or if the media shows it to us in real time, what actually happened is really a product of hearsay.  We are depending on others to “tell us the story.”  

Second-hand information always leaves the door open for possible biases, glossings over, taintings, indeed, what I call “juicifi-cations.”

Knowing of these information pitfalls conjures up, in my mind, the saying, “History is written by the victors” (i.e., winners, controllers of the narrative, most skillful story-tellers, etc.).

Let me ask you to think about that for a minute; “the telling of the story.”  Now, here are some questions to consider:

  1. First, do you believe in the adage, “History is written by the winners?”  According to the internet, Napoleon called it “a fable agreed upon.”
  2. If yes, how much of history do you suspect was written/reported accurately. 100% 99% 98%...   Or does it depend on the category for you?  In other words, generally speaking, do you tend to give some subjects more “room for error/latitude” than others?  And if yes, why?
  3. Do you believe historic exaggerations ever happened?  If yes, does anything (any history in particular) “get your goat?” (piss you off)
  4. Do you believe that, what we today call “Dark Free Speech,” ever got into the act (story)?  (I.e., an attempt to manipulate the narrative in someone’s (the winner’) favor, in spite of how things actually turned out.  IOW, lie for the sake of “the story.”)  Or, to quote a great line from “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance,” “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend,” meaning when the story of what happened is a better tale than what actually happened, print the tale.”
  5. Juicifi-cation isn’t only relegated to the “hard” history books (American History, World History, etc.), but I suspect in religious histories as well (e.g., think Jesus, God, Allah, Koran, Tora, Bible, etc.).  How believable to you are these such religious histories? 100% 99% 98%...?

As a believer myself (that history was written by the winners), what better proof can I give than to have you look at how today, in real time, humans are still guilty of all these juicifi-cations that I’ve pointed out? People are people, yesterday, today, tomorrow. Are we any better today (more meticulous in our reporting) than the people of yesteryear?  I don’t think so.  

Granted, we do have better recording devices.  So there IS that.  IOW, it’s easier to catch people in a lie.  But there are modern day ECC bandages to take care of those nasty cuts. 😉  We can try to bandage the truth with DFS, but it doesn’t seem to have stopped the bleeding. 🤷‍♀️

(by PrimalSoup)

New bit 'n chunk: DJT’s money troubles; An important USSC decision

Everyone is reporting that DJT is telling the world that he cannot raise the money he needs to meet a court-imposed $464 million bond obligation by a deadline next week. For example, ABC News reports: Trump faces insurmountable difficulties in securing $464M bond in civil fraud case, his attorneys say -- Judge Arthur Engoron had ordered Trump to pay $355 million plus interest. Unfortunately, this is not a basis to feel some comfort or that he will finally face some significant justice. DJT knows how to subvert justice to protect himself. 

DJT has already indirectly told the world that if the courts do not back off, he will accept bribes in the normal course of business, including in governing if he gets back in power. He expressed his ‘open for corruption’ threat in terms of being vulnerable to courts forces him to be open to corruption to pay fines and allegedly corrupt performance as president to try to avoid court-ordered fines. Although DJT took bribes before when he was in office before, the bribery is going to be more worse from here on out. 

Another signal that DJT is going to accept bribes is his signaling that he is considering giving convicted felon and traitor Paul Manafort a major role in his re-election campaign. The traitor-felon Manafort is connected to Russian oligarchs who are connected to Putin, who his DJT’s role model and likely controller. CNN reportsFormer Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is in discussions to help with reelection effort -- Former President Donald Trump’s team is in discussions with Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman whom he later pardoned, to potentially help with the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, three sources familiar with the ongoing conversations told CNN.

The frightening truth is that DJT’s money trouble is our trouble too. But for better or worse, it is far better for us that he has this money trouble, than letting him off the hook for his crimes and treason. Either way, he will be corrupt. 
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Slate reports about an important decision about the limits of government power:
Even the Supreme Court’s Conservatives Are Fed Up 
With the Garbage Coming Out of the 5th Circuit

Murthy v. Missouri poses a question so asinine that to ask it is to answer it: Can government officials encourage social media companies to moderate certain content that they deem harmful—most importantly, disinformation about COVID-19 in the middle of the pandemic?

Yes, of course they can: The First Amendment does not gag public officials from urging Facebook or the Washington Post or anyone else to publish or not publish certain information, especially when it contains dangerous lies about a once-in-a-century pandemic that could exacerbate the crisis. The First Amendment bars government censorship, not government persuasion, and the Biden administration planted itself on the latter side of that bright line. At least six justices grasped this basic constitutional principle on Monday.  
Like so many Supreme Court cases these days, Murthy is built atop a heap of fake facts. 
The opinion he handed down on July 4, 2023, was a humiliating mess of contradictions, fabrications, and (ironically) misinformation. Doughty adopted the plaintiffs’ theory that the administration “coerced” social media companies into removing “conservative” speech about COVID, ....  
Doughty, it turns out, grievously butchered the record to reach his conclusion. An exhaustive analysis by Mike Masnick proves that Doughty consistently misrepresented testimony and other evidence in the record to construct a conspiracy theory with zero basis in reality. He distorted emails and other exchanges to make them look coercive when they were nothing of the sort, cherry-picking and rearranging quotations to put them in a censorious light. Yet the hard-right U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, where law goes to die, affirmed Doughty’s conclusions and upheld much of his injunction (while narrowing it in part). That move sent the administration racing to the Supreme Court for an emergency stay, which it granted in October, over the dissents of Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Clarence Thomas.
The decision is encouraging because three of the six authoritarians understood how damaging this would be if the 5th Circuit decision was upheld. As Slate says, the case was asinine right from the get go and the anti-government arguments should never have made it past the trial court.

This is deeply troubling because both the 5th Circuit appeals court and three of the six USSC judges (i) made clear their hate of government, (ii) displayed an authoritarian trait of disregarding or rejecting inconvenient facts, and (iii) displayed an authoritarian trait of fabricating facts and applying partisan biased reasoning to inconvenient facts. 

That said, it does not mean the other three TTKP (Trump Tyranny & Kleptocracy Party) judges are not authoritarian. They are. But this case was so obviously wrong that they believed they had to side with the government on this. There are other, much more subtle ways to kill democratic government than this deranged 5th Circuit cannon blast. Apparently Roberts convinced Kavanaugh and Barrett of that. 

Also troubling is Slate calling the TTKP judges “conservative.” That is a major mistake. By now it is clear that all six are some form of still-evolving kleptocratic authoritarian monster, i.e., some combination of autocratic, plutocratic and fundamentalist Christian theocratic.

Monday, March 18, 2024

Book Review: Introduction to Legal Reasoning

 


Case law: the law as established by the outcome of former cases, sometimes called common law or judge made law.

Statutory law: written laws that express the will of the legislature, as distinguished from case law and constitutional law.

Constitutional law: the law as established by federal and state constitutions and intended to reflect the will of the drafters.


Context
This book explains the early origins of what has become the bitter modern liberal vs conservative dispute over what is constitutional and what isn't. The American legal tradition, American legal realism was that judges changed laws as society changed. The system worked very well, until conservatives began to understand in the 1950s and 1960s that American society was changing in ways they bitterly opposed.

Court decisions to require public school desegregation and to uphold civil liberties were seen as outright tyranny that had to be stopped at all costs. Those bitterly hated decisions were a reflection of the American realism legal tradition. In the 1970s and 1980s, the right invented terms like originalism and textualism to give their legal arguments (reflections of conservatism) and to begin to focus their attacks on the American realism tradition in the 1980s and 1990s. In essence, American legal realism is a direct threat to conservative political and social ideology. Conservative ideology is anti-democratic, authoritarian, hostile to civil liberties and the rule of law, except when it serves conservative ideological agendas.

Conservatives point to their invented originalism, textualism and so forth as accurately reflecting the will of the Founders to give gravitas to their arguments. The fundamental problem with that is that history makes very clear the Founders were locked in bitter disagreement over what is basically the same things that conservatives and liberals fight over today, e.g., big, strong vs small weak central government. The Founders never resolved their disagreements in their lifetimes. American legal realism reflected the social change of growing public acceptance of a big, strong central government. Conservatives now fight tooth, claw and fang to stop this social change. They rely heavily on dark free speech and anti-democratic tactics to wage this desperate war.

This book puts much of the modern left vs right fights in context. 

Book review
In his 1949 book, An Introduction to Legal Reasoning, legal scholar and former US Attorney General, Edward H. Levy, describes his vision of the legal process, which is called American Legal Realism (ALR). His book begins with this opening paragraph:

“This is an attempt to describe generally the process of legal reasoning in the field of case law, and in the interpretation of statutes and of the Constitution. It is important that the mechanism of legal reasoning should not be concealed by its pretense. The pretense is that the law is a system of known rules applied by a judge; the pretense has long been under attack. In an important sense legal rules are never clear, and, if a rule had to be clear before it could be imposed, society would be impossible. The mechanism accepts the differences of view and ambiguities of words. It provides for the participation of the community in resolving the ambiguity by providing a forum for the discussion of policy in the gap of ambiguity. On serious controversial questions it makes it possible to take the first step in the direction of what otherwise would be forbidden ends. The mechanism is indispensable to peace in a community.”

Levy is making a point that (i) legal reasoning and decision-making is not a simple application of a law to the facts of a controversy, (ii) ambiguity in the language of laws and the US Constitution is unavoidable but necessary for civil society, and (iii) the law changes over time to accommodate social change. Those three points are central to ALR, which is a process of evolution of the law over time. Although there are differences among scholars about exactly what ALR is, it is generally sees legal reasoning as a process where judges usually, but not always, decide a case on nonlegal grounds and then justify or rationalize their decision by reference to legal doctrines and the language of the applicable law.

Realism vs. formalism: The ALR vision of legal reasoning stands in contrast to legal formalism. Formalism holds that the process is a judge first resorting to the law and then applying the facts of the case to arrive at a decision in a case. Formalism recognizes that many legal principles are needed to account for all the decisions judges make. The core belief is that despite the complexity, there is an underlying logic to the myriad legal principles. The principles are both logically straightforward and easily applied to each case. Clearly, the quoted paragraph rejects formalism as the mechanism that applies to how judges decide cases. Former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was a prominent proponent of the branch of formalism called textualism.

Based on this reviewer’s professional experience with the law, judges decide on whatever process or mechanism they want when circumstances permit. That is particularly true for judges who are political ideologues and the issues at stake are core constitutional principles. Sometimes a law is not significantly ambiguous and the facts of the case make it all but necessary to decide on the basis of formalism. Most of the time, those cases settle out of court before the parties start formal in-court proceedings. Winners and losers in those cases are usually easy to spot, and going to court expends time and money. But for cases that do wind up being formally litigated, the process that ALR envisions is probably the process by which judges usually decide a case.

Levi recognized that if one ignores the easy cases, the distinctions between case law, statutory and constitutional cases decrease dramatically. That insight offered a different way to envision how the legal reasoning process actually operates.

Of the two opposing views, ALR is far better than formalism at accounting for the incremental changes in how laws are interpreted overt time. The changes tend to (i) accord with changing social norms, technology and the realities of how commerce is conducted, and (ii) the social impacts of changing technology and commerce. Levi is justified in asserting that “the mechanism is indispensable to peace in a community.”

A three-step process in four steps: Levi describe a three-step process of “reasoning from case to case” or “reasoning by example” by which the law evolves:

“The steps are these. Similarity is seen between cases; next the rule of law inherent in the first case is announced; then the rule of law is made applicable to the second case.”

But after that, as society, technology and commerce change, the rule of law can become obsolete and lead to absurd or unintended results. In cases where a rule of law is made without considering larger principles or unforeseeable circumstances, things that are very easy to do, if not necessarily inherent, the rule usually winds up being short-sighted in some way. That raises the need to refine or change the rule, sometimes to the point of it no longer being discernable in cases that arise years or decades later. In some cases, a rule of law simply fades into oblivion. For Levi, reasoning by analogy is the main way that this sort of flexibility in the law evolves and adapts to new circumstances.

In essence, the rejection, change or refinement of a rule of law amounts to a fourth step that can constitute a new rule of law, a refinement of the first rule, or a complete rejection of the first rule.

Statutory and constitutional ambiguity: As is apparent from the foregoing, some or a great deal of ambiguity in statutory laws and the constitution is a necessary component for ALR to work as it does. Levi paints a picture of the legislative process as necessarily an ambiguity-creating machine and judges apply legal reasoning to try to specify what a law’s language actually means in a given situation:

“We [judges] mean to accomplish what the legislature intended. . . . . The difficulty is that what the legislature intended is ambiguous. In a significant sense there is only a general intent which preserves as much ambiguity in the concept used as though it had been created by case law. . . . . For a legislature perhaps the pressures are such that a bill has to be passed dealing with a certain subject. But the precise effect of the bill is not something upon which the members have to reach agreement. . . . . Despite much gospel to the contrary, the legislature is not a fact-finding body. There is no mechanism, as there is with a court, to require the legislature to sift facts and to make a decision about specific situations. There need be no agreement about what the situation is. The members of the legislative body will be talking about different things; they cannot force each other to accept even a hypothetical set of facts. . . . . Moreover, from the standpoint of the individual member of the legislature there is reason to be deceptive. He must escape from pressures at home. . . . And if all this were not sufficient, it cannot be forgotten that to speak of legislative intent is to talk of group action, where much of the group may be ignorant or misinformed.”

Similarly, Levi paints a written constitution as another source of ambiguity:

“In addition to the power to hold legislative acts invalid, a written constitution confers another and perhaps as great a power. It is the power to disregard prior cases. . . . . The problem of stare decisis [legal precedent] where a constitution is involved is therefore an entirely different matter from that in case law or legislation. This is often overlooked when the court is condemned for its change of mind. A change of mind from time to time is inevitable when there is a written constitution. There can be no authoritative interpretation of the Constitution. The Constitution in its general provisions embodies the conflicting ideals of the community. Who is to say what these ideals mean in any definite way? Certainly not the framers, for they did their work when the words were put down. The words are ambiguous. Nor can it be the Court, for the Court cannot bind itself in this manner; an appeal can always be made back to the Constitution. Moreover if it is said that the intent of the framers ought to control, there is no mechanism for any final determination of their intent. . . . . The major words written in the document are too ambiguous; the ideals are too conflicting, and no interpretation can be decisive.”

Obviously, for formalists, the ALR vision of the Constitution is flawed. For those people, the Founder’s intent can clearly be found by applying formalist analytical techniques, such as the textualism that Scalia and others advocate. Despite that, Levi is clearly correct to say that the US Constitution is often ambiguous and there is no mechanism to definitively decide. On this point, formalism gets it wrong. And therein lies one of the bases for difference of opinion that is tearing American society apart today.

If one looks at the disputes the Founders never resolved among themselves in their lifetimes, one can see the origins of both ALR and formalism, both of which still compete for supremacy in both the law and in politics. In my opinion, ALR is better suited to modern American society and the economic and technological challenges this country faces. Given the reality that the legislative process is slow and driven more by re-election than courageous governance, there seems to be no workable pro-democracy choice but to resort to some form of realism or pragmatism. 

Previously posted 3/19/20, 8/17/19 & 12/26/18

The never-ending national/international nightmare…

 

Okay, I got a whopper for you this morning. 😮


As was to be expected, so far all legal cases involving one Donald J. Trump are getting delayed, thus denying the public’s right to a speedy trial (i.e., “People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook,” a la Nixon).  Trump’s desire to delay, delay, delay any and all prosecutions is his go-to move, his modus operandi, his “whatever it takes” maneuvers (ain’t no mountain high enough, ain’t no valley low enough…). 


As a result, we’ve got quite the clown show going.  Let’s review:


- A critical D.C. case before the SCOTUS on whether or not a U.S. President has total immunity against all acts taken, including… wait for it… fomenting an insurrection (there’s an eye-roller for ya).


- A Georgia flub-up (appearance of wrongdoing) with a DA endangering Trump’s (et. al.) RICO case with her bad judgment; an affair with the lead prosecutor whom she appointed to handle the case.  There’s another “duh” moment.


- A Manhattan DA/DoJ/SDNY/who the hell knows? screw-up with a last minute “documents dump” on Trump’s attorneys (tens of thousands of items), causing further delay in the “hush money”/“falsifying business records” case.  That was a “Coulda hada V8” forehead slap moment for me, when I heard about it. (Looks like we’re in a Keystone Kops slapstick sitcom.)  For crying out loud!  O.J., eat your heart out!  You are not alone!  Incompetence abounds!


- An inexperienced DJT-appointed Florida judge, whose rulings have already been twice reversed by the 11th Circuit Appeals Court, all of whom were republican appointees.  A Florida judge who continues to give the Trump team every benefit of every doubt on his “stealing” and “concealing” highly classified documents, feeding right into DJT’s delay tactics.


- An USAG who lets a special counsel, Robert Hur, get away with smearing Joe Biden, even though it was, and still is to this day, a nothingburger, tainting the general public's opinion of Biden with falsehoods in favor of DJT, and thus giving Trump even more advantage with his low-info cult voters.


- Appeals after appeals after appeals, ad infinitum, still winding their way through the various backlogged courts.


And this is all just off the top of my head!  What am I NOT thinking of?  There are so many Trump lawsuits pending that it’s practically impossible for us regular folks to keep them all straight.  So, if I got anything wrong here, please feel free to correct me.


Yes, seemingly for better or for worse, the U.S. legal system is one contorted (spaghettified) system.  If you want something, some precedent, you will find it somewhere out there in the vast smorgasbord of legality, and figure out a way to work it into the picture for your own benefit.  There’s something for everyone!  “How may we (the legal system) help you?”


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Most pundits and legal minds are saying there is a “slim to none” chance that any legal trial outcomes will take place before the November general election. I’m starting to really believe that myself.  And I’m wondering if, in the long run, that’s a good thing.  I wonder what you think.


So, let’s speculate on which is better for achieving justice.  I’m just spitballing here, and in my usual overly-dramatic way [i.e., I outlined it].  Consider these two (rough draft) scenarios I knocked out: 


Scenario I.

At least one DJT trial takes place BEFORE the November election. 


Possibilities:


  1. Trump is found guilty.

  1. A guilty finding may catapult Trump into national martyrdom.  

  2. Trump plays the sympathy card on the voting public and in the media.  Media gives him unending free airtime.  This happens in between when he’s found guilty but before he has to report to jail.  Or, even after he has to report to jail, though his name remains on all ballots (thank you SCOTUS!) 

  1. The sympathy card catapults him into being re-elected.  Or, it doesn’t work.

  2. The sympathy card fails and he gets scorn from everyone, including his fellow Republicans.  He’s now finally a goner.


  1. Trump is found not guilty.

  1. His image is bolstered in the population at large.  

  2. He gets a bump in the polls resulting in a win in the November election.

  3. All hell breaks loose, as it did before. But now a dictator is in total charge.

  1.  Hung jury (go back three spaces! Do not pass GO.  Do not collect even $200 worth of justice). 😭


Scenario II.

No DJT trials take place until AFTER the November election.


Possibilities:


  1. Trump wins the November election.  

  1. He dismisses all federal cases against him  

    1. He will still have to find a way to deal with state cases, and you better believe he will.  They will miraculously “go away.”


  1. Trump loses the November election. 

  1. That means the chances that he must eventually stand multiple trials is very high 

    1. There is a good likelihood that he will be convicted on something (of the current 88 counts).


  2. Societal/civil unrest.  

    1. Will it or will it not happen?  (It did before.)


Question/task:


  • Help me think through the various possibilities.  Fill in any missing pieces.  


  • Do you think it is better or worse for any DJT trials to take place before the November election?  Give your analysis as I did.


Right now I’m talking about “trials or no trials.”  But if you want to veer off into other scenarios go ahead.   Many variables and possibilities are in play. 


  • Is there a Scenario III., IV., V… (e.g. stroke, heart attack, assassination, resignation, illnesses, fleeing the country, some unexpected “October surprise,” nuclear holocaust, armageddon, other)?  Speculate on what this November will look like.  Just (IYO) In Your Opinion.


(by PrimalSoup)