Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Tuesday, August 6, 2019

Pure Opinion vs. Fact- and Logic-Based Analysis

A couple of days ago, a commenter criticized part of a B&B discussion and I responded. It went like this.

Criticism: There is nothing true in the following paragraph you wrote. It is simply an emotional appeal based on opinion.

This may turn out to be another step toward the deeply corrupt, lies-based tyranny the president is intent on building in the US. Going forward, the president may simply stop talking to all responsible media sources that try to report truth. Instead he may opt to rely on friendly propaganda sites to communicate his dark free speech[1] to the American people. It may be the case that the professional MSM is often or usually unreasonably biased, fails to be honest (comprehensive) enough and/or plagued by other factors that impair its professionalism or the veracity of its content.

My response: That includes reasonable opinion based on fact. That is a legitimate basis for public discourse.

Facts:
1. Trump is corrupt because, for example, (i) he sees nothing wrong with continuing to profit from his businesses, (ii) he has a public track record of corrupt business practices, and (iii) he continues to refuse to show his tax returns
2. Trump has been very clear in public that he likes dictators and dictatorship, and he would like to have their kind of power for life
3. Trump has openly and repeatedly complained that the US press is the enemy of the people and he hates them and he would shut the press down if he could
4. He has an unmatched track record of lying, deceiving withholding facts and information and bullstiting the American people compared to all recent US presidents, and probably to all US presidents ever
5. He has an unmatched track record of contempt for the rule of law as evidenced by his refusal to comply with congressional oversight 6. He has an undeniable track record of surrounding himself with criminals and liars
7. He hosted propagandists at the White House and praised them, even though they spew lies and deceit
8. The professional MSM has a much better public track record of telling the truth than the lying propagandists that Trump invited to the White House

The opinions, e.g., the president is working toward a deeply corrupt, lies-based tyranny flows directly from the underlying facts. There is no leap of logic that is not firmly grounded in fact. Given the facts, it is perfectly reasonable to think that Trump might simply stop talking to White House press corps MSM sources and try to put lying propagandists the White House press corps and speak only to them.

So, what's the flaw(s) in any of that? Is Trump honest and not a chronic liar? Does he hate dictatorship? Did he not invite lying propagandists to the White House and praise them? Are some or all of the asserted facts not true? Are the opinions unwarranted in view of the facts or based on flawed logic? Is this just pure (100%) emotional appeal based on no facts or reality whatever, or is there some reasonable degree of fact- and/or logic-based content in it?

The concern: Are the eight things above that are called facts not really facts, and at best are only debatable truths? How much evidence does it take to elevate an opinion from just an opinion to a matter of debatable truth or even not debatable fact? Am I just irrationally rationalizing this? Is the criticized paragraph nothing more than pure personal opinion with an insufficient link to reality for the eight asserted "facts" to amount to truth and/or fact?

In other words, am I unreasonably self-deluded or reality-detached here? And elsewhere?

B&B orig: 7/15/19

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