Etiquette



DP Etiquette

First rule: Don't be a jackass.

Other rules: Do not attack or insult people you disagree with. Engage with facts, logic and beliefs. Out of respect for others, please provide some sources for the facts and truths you rely on if you are asked for that. If emotion is getting out of hand, get it back in hand. To limit dehumanizing people, don't call people or whole groups of people disrespectful names, e.g., stupid, dumb or liar. Insulting people is counterproductive to rational discussion. Insult makes people angry and defensive. All points of view are welcome, right, center, left and elsewhere. Just disagree, but don't be belligerent or reject inconvenient facts, truths or defensible reasoning.

Friday, May 8, 2020

Trump's Power of Persuasion



According to one observer, Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert comic strip, Donald Trump's rhetorical style is a masterpiece of persuasion. Consciously or not, Trump has mastered the art of speaking to our intuitive-emotional unconscious minds to persuade people to his side.

On his blog, Adams describes his take on the human condition like this: “For new readers of this blog, my starting point is the understanding that human brains did not evolve to show us reality. We aren’t that smart. Instead, our brains create little movies in our heads, and yours can be completely different from mine.”

Adams is an aficionado of hypnosis and the art of persuasion via rhetorical tricks. He knows something about human cognitive biology. Rhetorical tricks can fool our cognitive biological processes to create realities the speaker wants to create, regardless of how well or poorly tethered to objective reality they may be. Those tricks are persuasive to our unconscious minds. For the most part, the tricks bypass conscious reasoning. Tricks can and do make us believe that false realities are true.

After hearing Trump in the first primary debate, most people thought Trump's performance was the death knell of Trump's candidacy. By contrast, Adams saw in Trump's rhetorical style the makings of an election victory based on his mastery of the art of persuasion. In an interview with Caroline Winter for Bloomberg Businessweek ( Mar. 27 - Apr. 2 2017 issue, pages 58-61), Winter writes of the debate: “In August 2015 viewers of the first Republican primary debate could be forgiven for thinking that Donald Trump was finished. “You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals,” the moderator, Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly, said to him. “You once told a ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?” Trump didn’t act contrite, or statesmanlike, as conventional candidates might have done. Instead, he interrupted Kelly with another nasty dig, about Rosie O’Donnell, and volunteered that he’d probably insulted others, too. Many pundits proclaimed that the response cemented Trump’s unelectability.”

Winter writes that Adams saw in Trump's performance “something different. In that moment, he realized that Trump might be a kindred spirit—a fellow “Master Wizard,” Adams’s term for experts in hypnosis and persuasion. Watching the debate alone at home, he grew excited. “I really got out of my chair and said, ‘Whoa, there’s something happening here that’s not like regular politics,’ ” Adams recalled. As he saw it, Trump had deftly defanged Kelly’s accusations by replacing them with a powerful visual: the iconic O’Donnell, “who is very unpopular among his base,” Adams said. “It was the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.” A week later, he published a blog post titled ‘Clown Genius.’ In the 3D world of emotion, where Trump exclusively plays, he has set the world up for the most clever persuasion you will ever see.”

The persuasive techniques that Trump uses include deft application of the powerful unconscious bias called anchoring[1] in a game of 3-dimensional emotional chess.

Finally, Winter observes in her article “Of Trump, he [Adams] wrote: “There is an eerie consistency to his success so far. Is there a method to it? ... Probably yes. Allow me to describe some of the hypnosis and persuasion methods Mr. Trump has employed on you.” At a time when virtually the entire professional political class was convinced Trump would self-immolate, Adams’s essay reframed his actions as the deliberate work of a political savant. Trump, he wrote, was using such “Persuasion 101” tricks as “anchors,” “intentional exaggeration,” and “thinking past the sale” to wage “three-dimensional chess” against his opponents and the media, including Kelly and Fox News. “Now that Trump owns Fox, and I see how well his anchor trick works with the public,” Adams concluded, “I’m going to predict he will be our next president.” . . . . “My predictions are based on my unique view into Trump’s toolbox of persuasion, . . . . I believe those tools are invisible to almost everyone but trained hypnotists and people that study the science of persuasion.””

Adams is a Trump supporter. He sees his blog as doing a public service. He is right about performing a public service by helping to describe why Trump's rhetorical style is so powerful.


Questions: Assuming that Adams is right and Trump is a master of persuasion, does that mean that Trump will always work toward the right thing using his powerful talent? In other words, is it possible that a Master Wizard always acts in the public interest, or can there be White Hat, Black Hat and various shades of Grey Hat Master Wizards?


Footnote:
1. According to Wikipedia, “anchoring is a cognitive bias that describes the common human tendency to rely too heavily on the first piece of information offered (the "anchor") when making decisions. During decision making, anchoring occurs when individuals use an initial piece of information to make subsequent [unconscious] judgments. Once an anchor is set, other [unconscious] judgments are made by adjusting away from that anchor, and there is a bias toward interpreting other information around the anchor.”





B&B orig: 4/1/17; DP: 8/11/19

Tribalism Can Change Perceptions of Truth




Morally objective or relative? 
A religious pregnant woman seeking an abortion argues in court that her deeply held religious beliefs are that that “a nonviable fetus is not a separate human being but is part of her body and that abortion of a nonviable fetus does not terminate the life of a separate, unique, living human being.” The woman is arguing violation of the establishment clause by being forced by state law to wait (i) 72 hours to have her abortion, and (ii) read a pamphlet that states that life begins at conception, which she argues is a nonmedical religious viewpoint she rejects as false.

Writing for Scientific American, cognitive scientist Matthew Fisher and colleagues (downloadable here) raise the questions of if and how polarized American political discourse affects perceptions of truth. Fisher is not asking if being an objectivist shapes behaviors. For example, some research evidence shows that objectivists tend to shy away from relativists or objectivists with opposing beliefs. The hypothesis is that it's not worth listening to anyone who disagrees with the objectivist's personal beliefs. That point requires new research to answer.

Instead Fisher asks this: Is it possible that when objectivists interact with people who disagree with their beliefs, they experience subtle mindset shifts that alter the degree to which they are objectivist about challenged beliefs? Existing research is clear that people vary in their degree of relativism and objectivism. What is not yet known is if or how mindsets change in response to belief challenges under various social circumstances. Fisher’s research suggests that polarization and how people approach disagreements, cooperatively to learn vs competitively to win, affects how truth is perceived.


The winning vs learning experiment in rhetoric 
Fisher describes one experiment that he and his colleagues ran to begin answering the ‘mindset shift’ question. (Mindset shift is my term for the phenomenon - Fisher didn't label it) In the win vs learn experiment, Fisher paired people with opposite views on abortion, gun control and other issues. The pairs would engage in an online conversation under one of two sets of instructions. The first group was instructed that the conversation was competitive and a winner would be assessed. The second group instructed that the conversation was intended to be informational to assess how well each participant came to understand the other's beliefs and basis for them.

Not surprisingly, the online conversations in first group sounded exactly like current, emotionally charged and polarized political rhetoric. It was mostly useless. By contrast, the second group conversations had a civilized tone and generally revealed the reasons for why people believed as they did.

The participants were then assessed for what effects, if any, could be detected in mindsets. Fisher asked: “But would these exchanges in turn lead to different views about the very nature of the question being discussed? After the conversation was over, we asked participants whether they thought there was an objective truth about the topics they had just debated.”

The tentative answer is yes: “Strikingly, these 15-minute exchanges actually shifted people's views [i.e., caused mindset shift]. People were more objectivist after arguing to win than they were after arguing to learn.”

Given that result, ‘arguing’ in the learning mode seems like a misnomer. When one is learning without the fact- and logic-destroying motivation to win, maybe it's better to call it conversing. In terms of brain biology, debating to win doesn't have the same biological effect as conversing to learn.

If the results here hold up to additional research and are found to be influential, there could be important implications for politics. First, Americans would do well to reject the winner take all attitude that increasingly characterize polarized political debate and rhetoric. Second, one should acknowledge that the objectivist mindset has been actively fostered for decades by the two-party system, especially republicans and their no-compromise ideology. That no-compromise mindset is now growing on the left, presumably in reaction to its rise on the right. That rejection of civility for moral absolutes constituted a profound betrayal of the American people and democratic norms. Unless one is an intractable moral objectivist,[1] it may also constitute a threat to American democracy and values.


Footnote:
1. To test whether you tend toward moral relativism or objectivism, here's a self-assessment test. “This short word problem has proven remarkably successful in assessing people's tendency to look at multiple possibilities, an indication of a relativist moral sensibility. Try the test and see in which camp you belong.”

The green blocks problem There are five blocks in a stack. In this stack, the second block from the top is green, and the fourth is not green. Is a green block definitely on top of a non-green block?
A. Yes
B. No
C. Cannot be determined



B&B orig: 2/4/18; DP 8/11/19

Wednesday, May 6, 2020

Some Info About Viruses and Covid-19

Here is some virology. The first ~5 minutes of the first video are good for non-scientists and the first ~8½ minutes of the second video are good for non-scientists. After that, it starts to get more technical.

Darned technical stuff. 🙁




About viruses and humans




About Covid-19


My sincere thanks to 別對牛彈琴 (aka SIASD) for bringing these videos to my attention.

Tuesday, May 5, 2020

Time to play that "Who should Joe Biden pick as VP" game.

OK FOLKS:
I hope I don't get too much grief over some of my comments below, but my opinions are MINE, and I would still like to hear YOURS.

As we are figuring out, Biden desperately needs to make a wise pick for VP, someone who is passionate and can sock it to Trump, but also articulate (which Biden isn't), and someone who will appeal to a broad range of voters.

ALAS, he made a commitment to select a female - which might be a good idea since there are some awesome female leaders out there - but also some awesome male leaders (AndrewCuomo).

SO let me get the ball rolling:

My choices AND why or why not:

Let me first address the elephant in the room - should the pick automatically be a woman of color?
NO (as it shouldn't be automatic)  - but considering there are some damn good ones out there, maybe?

IF it has to be a woman of color, no to Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris (Abrams too dull, Kamala too angry), but here is a name for you - Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms


She checks off all the boxes: articulate, strong-minded, passionate, and yes, being attractive helps (this is America after all) 

NO - NEVER to Hillary Clinton, but I would support the pick of Elizabeth Warren 


Two reasons: she would help bring in the progressive vote AND she would drive Trump absolutely bonkers (OR should I say - more bonkers than he already is) 

I would also say no to Gretchen Whitmer but if Biden wanted to draw more of the Hispanic vote, why not Catherine Cortez Masto?


Again, she has popular appeal, is well spoken, and would bring passion to an otherwise stale Democratic ticket.

OF COURSE, my #1 choice would be:


NOW YOUR TURN FOLKS:

Who would you pick - or not pick - and WHY?








Monday, May 4, 2020

UTILITY AND ALL THAT! Part 2.

Arming You to Fight Mainstream Economic Theory by Reconstructing It Into What It’s Properly About--by Larry Motuz
Given the comments I’ve received so far, some have ‘read into’ what I’ve said about objective benefits from the uses of goods, a.k.a. value-in-use, as an attempt to introduce ‘morality’ into economics. I have no intention of doing so. I have every intention, however, of re-introducing objective utility back into economics. Objective utility is an always measurable, well-defined unit of benefit obtained when we use goods.

We buy goods to use them to obtain what benefits their uses can and do provide to us. We buy foods to eat for their nutrients we obtain when we eat them. We often also get some pleasure/subjective satisfaction when doing so. That acknowledged, we must not confuse the possibility that we might some pleasure or satisfaction with always having gotten some pleasure or satisfaction because that we obtain nutrients when we eat foods.

(That's why I previously mentioned George H.W. Bush being mightily unsatisfied if he had to eat broccoli!)

Now if we are producers-who-consume :: And consumption is the use of goods we purchase/rent/lease buy to use/employ to get well-defined, objectively measurable benefits and possibly also some satisfaction in doing so :: that term neither means nor implies that we don't have subjective preferences or that these never metter.

We do have preferences. Heaven knows we have our likes and dislikes. Mostly, when we can afford to, we try to obtain benefits in ways we prefer to. But when we cannot afford to, we 'make do'. Benefits and benefit levels matter more to us than our preferences do when we 'make do'.

Mainstream (a.k.a. orthodox) economics says that ‘rational’ people would never buy any amounts of anything which they got no pleasure or subjective satisfaction from. Indeed, a consumer cannot 'maximize' subjective satisfaction above all else if s/he 'behaves' contrarily. That would be, er, 'irrational' behavior according to the Theory of the Consumer.

But that assertion rests upon confusing realizing pleasure or satisfaction with obtaining objective benefits. That confusion has seriously undermined the development of economics as a 'science'.

I'll note here that people are not the only actors in economic systems. Organizations are also actors.

These are ‘fictive persons’ that are economic actors. If 'for profit', these actors consume/employ goods with one objective particular benefit in mind: "profits" (measured in currency units).

These do not choose what they consume/employ on the basis of their subjective preferences between goods. 'Fictive persons’ have no ‘subjective preferences’. Which is not to say that those in charge of such 'fictive persons' are unable to exercise their particular preferences. If these can do so without costing the 'fictive person' --read a for-profit Corporation here-- much if anything, their shareholders will be happy to let them do so. And, given cultural values, other 'values' may come into play also.

But usually it's fair to assume theoretically that ‘fictive persons’ use ‘goods’ they choose on the basis of their cost and their respective contributions/usefulness as inputs into their production. A ‘for-profit’ corporation hardly buys a computer because it subjectively ‘prefers’ to have one over having, say, accountants or other workers. It does so mainly because using/employing a computer in some operations cuts the costs of those operations. It makes financial sense to buy a computer when that computer and its maintenance costs can be recovered or more than recovered when it's employed. [And, not to put too fine a point on this, there is also benefit in having a computer which never tires or argues back relative to workers who do both.]

Producers-who-consume is a term I use to include all economic actors.

In my unfolding framework, the term replaces the notion that some actors --people and only people-- are the only ‘consumers’ in economic systems. The term challenges the idea that others are the only ‘producers’. The term means that all actors use goods to obtain benefits from those uses. And that means that a proper Theory of the Consumer cannot exclude any economic actors.

If we are all producers-who-consume, buying goods and using them with regard to both objective and subjective benefits which we hope or intend to get,then we need new framework for economic theory and analysis. Constructing that is my objective. And, it is my only objective.

We know that a business must earn enough to cover its fixed plant and capital costs and the variable input and maintenance costs of what it employs to make what it sells. Unless it covers its costs though revenue generating sales streams, it will operate in the ‘red’,underwater as it were. Without access to other finances than sales revenues, it may be unable to remain in business over time.

It would be absurd to hear a CEO say, “We’re losing money hand over fist in our operations and we expect to continue to do that, but, if we ignore this as merely incidental to our welfare and continued survivalas a business,well, then take it from our staff economists that we’re in greatest shape we could be in given our very strained circumstances. They tell us we've rationally done everything in our power to keep running/alive, so, by that measure :: that we're still here despite everything! :: we've maximized our welfare. [That’s one among the many reasons business schools tend to burst out in hilarious guffaws when hearing what economists say. {*An exception to this is Engineering Project Management. This is effectively a sub-discipline within economics usually taught by Engineers to Engineers. It neither needs nor uses the economic Theories of the Consumer or that of the Firm.}]

Why should we accept any such statements when they are applied to people when talking about them having maximized their welfare?

Do not people have bodies? Do they not have to cover the costs of their operations? Do they not have to maintain themselves?

These are not moral questions whatever the answers. And "Yes", they have bodies and must replenish what they use to maintain themselves.

To be sure, they both are and have bodies which cost them nothing to get. A business must buy, rent, or lease a plant out of which it operates, so people are different in that regard.

However, both sets of actors face variable ‘costs’ associated with maintaining their 'bodies' and continuing their 'ongoing operations'. What people's bodies metabolically use up needs be replenished.

If a business dips into savings or uses its ongoing sales revenues to do so, people also do so.

For most people most of the time, their income is what they earn when they sell their time and skills to employers.

So, if, say, I need 80 units of protein daily to maintain my health and life, then that is an Exigency requirement (ER) which I must meet. Should I only manage to afford to obtain only 40 units daily over any significant period, it cannot be said that I am doing well. Protein shortfalls/deficiencies lead to diseases over time, eventuating in death. Neither disease nor death, at least to me, is equivalently 'doing well'.

Let's now generalize. Let’s say we label what a person gets to obtain daily as (G). That’s all they manage to Get (G) in a period. We can now create an Index of Utility because we know the Exigency requirement (ER).

We'd do so by using the formula t*(G-ER)/(t*ER)[where t is the length of the period in, say, days] to create a simple Index of Utility. If t*(G-ER) =0 then so does the Index Measure. That's good.

Any index value less than zero over a significant period of time period leads to health decrements. If the period is long enough, that can mean lifetime disease, disability and/or death. So, Utility Indices less than zero could indicate poor physiological well-being if we're looking at lengthy periods over which this shortfall is happening.

If the index is greater than zero, well how much greater matters? Gout,for example, is one disease which may result if one consumes too much protein over a significant period. (There are other diseases associated with overmuch protein consumption.)

Which is to say that more is not necessarily better. There’s usually a range of nutrient consumption which we can define as relatively good. It's sandwiched between other ranges that are ‘bad’.

I don’t think it’s a task of economists to tell anyone if s/he is consuming too much of anything: that too much is bad specifically for them. A doctor perhaps, but not an economist.

But should it not be a task of economists to develop useful indices of well-being or welfare?

Similarly (but not identically) for a business, if GSR is sale revenues (SR) received/gotten (G) in time period t, and if, say, in a quarter, its sales revenue target is ExigencySR (ESRt)to cover its fixed and variable costs, then we get (GSRt -ESRt)/ESRt as an Index of Covered Costs. An index value of Zero will be ‘good’ because costs have been covered. Profits always being desirable to businesses, more than Zero is better, for there’s no upper range where profits ever become excessive: I.e., ‘bad’ for them. An index value above is gravy. [Just like people can't have too much money --they'll take more if someone offers to give it to them--businesses can never have too much profit.]

That said, in yet other respects, businesses are like people. They do not want inventories of inputs piling up, for storage costs can become very costly to business. Just like an excess of proteins for an individual, an excessive supply of inputs can become harmful to a business. Though more money is never 'bad', more input than needed can be.

I've no doubt whatever that businesses use far more sophisticated indices, measures and algorithms for keeping track of inputs needed for the production capacity utilisation warranted by anticipated/hoped for market revenues. My purpose here is simply to illustrate that economists have no measures at all to indicate when too little is too little or too much is too much. Getting ahead of myself here, they have confused a singular characteristic of monies :: Namely that more is always better to have :: with this being a property of 'goods'. [They've done so due to the fact that, in monetary economies, goods can be exchanged for money. Ipso facto, more goods has become better (as long as there aren't substantial transactions costs associated with turning that 'more goods' into 'more money')!

Indices of objective utility don’t exist in orthodox economic theory. Instead, human welfare is taken to be an entirely subjective matter, and, being subjective --in the mind of the ‘consumer’ so to speak-- are beyond direct, objective measurement.[See Note 1 below for what a scientist has to say about the measures they do use for 'utility'.]

That problem lies not only in ignoring a significant and measurable part of what we obtain when we buy goods to use them in some way/s, but also in how ‘utility’ has been cast in orthodox theory as being ‘subjective preferences’ in the minds of ‘consumers’ who are never treated as ‘producers’.

That’s not to say that subjective preferences don't ever matter. Conspicuous consumption, at least in Thorstein Veblen’s sense of displaying how wealthy one is to those less wealthy and merely eking out their existence, has bio-psycho and cultural roots and benefits.

It’s rather to say that even though objective benefits can pale before the a person's psychological motivations/pleasures in some purchases, we cannot simply ignore objective benefits by only emphasizing such subjective preferences. Indeed, though a house always serves as a shelter, there are many other other factors which go into purchasing houses. Some are subjective: the status and prestige of owning a house in a ritzy neighborhood for example. Others are more objective in their dimensions: distance to and quality of neighborhood schools; ready access to rapid transit/transportation systems; to mention only two.

I've focused attention on objective benefits because the analysis of objective analysis is completely absent from the Theory of the Consumer. Not only is there no attempt to measure the values-in-use which goods provide us, some notable economists have be painstaking in their denials of such things as measurable values-in-use. Take George J. Stigler, for instance, and his famous article “The Development of Utility Theory 1” {See;http://kisi.deu.edu.tr/sedef.akgungor/Microeconomic%20Theory%201%20Fallm2009/stigler.pdf}

Stigler criticized Ricardo in this way:
Ricardo says that, if a person receives two sacks of corn where formerly he received one,"he gets, indeed, double the quantity of riches--double the quantity of utility-- double the quantity of what Adam Smith calls value-in-use." Hence, he did not believe that marginal utility diminishes as (total) utility increases. ((Total) added by me for clarification.){Note:This means that increments to total utility fall as more and more of a good is acquired, so the rate of change of total utility is always falling.]

And Stigler, after quoting yet another statement he disapproves of, he goes on to say "The writer of this passage [Ricardo] cannot be said to have been close to the notion ofmarginal utility" [That’s the notion that increments to total utility grow become ever smaller less as more and more of a good is consumed.]

And I have to acknowledge that Stigler was absolutely right about Ricardo not having grasped the idea that the rate of change to total utility falls as more units of a good are purchased.

But why would Ricardo or anyone choose to believe that?

Imagine you said to your local jeweler that it made you sad to learn in your economics class that the ‘law of diminishing marginal utility' meant that he could only make ever smaller total amounts of jewelry out of his second and late acquisitions of gold/silver ingots at market prices compared to what he could make from from the first one he acquired.

He'd rightly wonder if you were daft! Imagine him puzzling:
”Why do economists say that? I’m sure I always make the same amount of jewelry with the last gold/silver ingot I bought as I do with the first. Each ingot has the same unit weight of gold/silver. Why shouldn’t one be as equally useful to me as another? I’m awfully sure that if I have 10 ingots of equal weight, I can make 10 times the amount of jewelry than I can with one.The total utility of the first ingot is not greater than the last.”

Stigler's problem with David Ricardo, Adam Smith, and other classical economists of the 18th and 19th centuries was due to one thing. Twentieth century trained economists like Stigler had absolutely no idea how important it was to distinguish between values-in-use and values-in-exchange. Somehow, so caught up have they become with values-in-exchange ::I.e., the money prices of things :: that they’ve lost all awareness of the values in-use of things. They’d graduated from their classes having learned the prices of everything and the values of nothing-at-all.

As Ricardo said, the person with two sacks of corn as wages has twice the benefit as before with only one. That is so whether s/he uses them as food (for their nutritional value as food) for the rate of change of nutrients per unit ‘bag’ do not decline as the numbers of bags acquired grows. Nutrient levels per unit measure do not fall as more unit measures are acquired, nutrients levels being equal per unit measure of corn. Constant returns per unit acquired,not declining ones, are more the rule. And should s/he sells both bags for money, or if s/he keeps one and sells the other, s/he is obviously twice as better off with two bags than with only one.

And for you to understand how this happened, I will have to show what happened and why.
'Nuff for today.

{Readers: I’d hoped to deal with ‘utility’ in only two sections. Comments on Part 1 made it very clear that I could not leave utility as quickly as I wanted to. I’d have have to add a Part 3 about how it came to be thought that prices --values-in-exchange-- became associated with the intensities of the desires a person had for goods. ‘Demand’ curves and prices ‘consumers’ were thought to be ‘willing to pay’ flowed out of such thinking, as did notions that consumers generally were able to ‘buy’ goods in markets for less than they would be ‘willing to pay’. If so, consumers generally get more ‘value’ in markets than they pay for. That’s so if but only if it is the case that they would have been willing to pay more than the ‘market’ requires them to pay… something economists call ‘consumer surplus’. I intend to produce Utility and All That Part 3 next.}

Note 1. I refer more mathematically and technically minded readers to On Ordinal, Cardinal, and Expected Utility by Jonathan Barzilai, a respected Canadian Engineer. He has very persuasively argued that economic measures of utility (and the welfare which emerges from such measures) lack all meaningful definition. Though he doesn't use my term 'mathemagics' for what economists do when misusing mathematics, he might as well have. There are numerous Internet websites which have this publication.



Links to prior posts on economics:

Analyze me...


Monday, May 4, 2020
 
I will readily admit I’m biased toward the Democrats.  Their agenda/platform more aligns with my political mindset.

As a progressive liberal, I watch MSNBC and CNN to get my news.  I rarely watch Fox, nor do I listen to right-wing radio pundits like Rush Limbaugh (I can only take about 5-minutes of him before I have to turn it off).

Here’s question 1:
-Do you see right wing media as a help or hindrance to the greater American society?  Explain your choice.

Myself, I see them as a hindrance and instigaters of anger, hatred, resentment, discord, and any other words of disruption

Here’s question 2:
-Am I wrong?  Am I not seeing things clearly through my skewed-liberal eyesight?

Lay it on the line for me.  Is it me, and not them?  Be honest.  I can take it.  Or as I like to say, “Sometimes you do someone a favor when you tell them they have bad breath.” :/

Help me understand so I can grow. :)

Thanks for posting.